Time for a History Lesson, Immigration Options

[PFC Mustangman]

The Roman Empire was inarguably the greatest civilization of antiquity.It took nearly a thousand years for the world to recover from the fall of the Roman Civilization.A fall that is traditionally dated A.D.476.The fall occurred for many reasons,but most of the direct blame lies in the migration and toleration of hostile Germanic Tribes out of Eastern Europe.These tribes penetrated the unsecured borders of the Roman Empire and settled deep within Roman lands.Over time,since the Romans felt that they could not successfully boot these invaders out,the Tribes were allowed to stay in the Empire.Many even joined the Roman Army and were given the authority (not always officially) to enforce their own laws and preserve their seperate cultures,and for a large part did not assimilate into the greater Roman Culture.By A.D.476,The Western half of the Empire was overrun by various Eastern Tribes and the land was Roman in name only.In that year,one of these Tribes,the Visigoths,sacked the Eternal City of Rome,a city which had not been touched by outside invaders for 800 years.Through there was not much left of the Western Empire by that point,it is the fall of the City of Rome to the Visigoths that has traditionally symbolized the destruction of the once great Roman Empire.In the end,the greatest civilization know to man was brought down by illegal immigrants that were granted amnesty.

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[Genocide Junkie]

I can tell you in my area they are probably at least 20% maybe as much as 35-40% (no one knows) and as UNDEAD says there are lots of salt of the earth people here who cannot get the jobs they had roofing, construction, etc. etc. because the contractor can hire two Hispanics for what he had to pay Bubba. No doubt there's a reason the contractor hires them. They work HARD and cheap. Perhaps some of those people who lose those jobs will learn that first part. As it stands it puts another person out of work and you and I paying for their benefits etc. So problem compounded. Don't know the answer but I can assure you our government officials have long stopped trying to do what was right for us. On both sides it's about power and control. Screw the people.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

I can tell you in my area they are probably at least 20% maybe as much as 35-40% (no one knows) and as UNDEAD says there are lots of salt of the earth people here who cannot get the jobs they had roofing, construction, etc. etc. because the contractor can hire two Hispanics for what he had to pay Bubba. No doubt there's a reason the contractor hires them. They work HARD and cheap. Perhaps some of those people who lose those jobs will learn that first part. As it stands it puts another person out of work and you and I paying for their benefits etc. So problem compounded. Don't know the answer but I can assure you our government officials have long stopped trying to do what was right for us. On both sides it's about power and control. Screw the people.

Just to add to it all though, remember how complex this all is. So Bubba loses his job, two Mexican's work hard and cheap, and "Frank" gets the addition to his house built for $20,000 less, while "Ralph", the owner of the contracting company also scoops up and extra $5,000 profit for every home he builds.

Probably no one here is a "Mexican", a few here might be "Bubba's", many are "Frank's" (people looking for a cheap house or cheap renovations), and there may even be a "Ralph" or two. Point is, the winners and losers in tis game are varied and complex.