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[Druid]

This is continued from elsewhere as a member of the clan requested.
I'm sure whoever needs to will find their way here
Vert I've no clue what bug has been up your ass forever concerning MOB but I'm guessing it goes all the way beck to the days of PKU. Get over it already.

Now to continue on with the discussion.
This all started with the missionary stuff so lets take a closer look.
Ashe's accusation was that RD left the server and restarted CI which then kicked DMG for not using missionary, which according to them was never brought up, even though it was on numerous occasions.
1st everyone has been playing mohaa long enough to know it's a common issue getting disconnected after DV. So much for the accusation RealDeal left the server to switch CI.
2nd CI for over a year has broadcast a message to the server when it's shut down. So much for the accusation RealDeal restarted CI with the purpose of kicking DMG.
If that was the case you would of seen a message from CI about the restart which you didn't now did you?
Next comes the bitch fest about how wrong MOB was to ask the DMG players to use missionary.
I take the time to extend a virtual olive branch on your forum to solve any misunderstandings just to have Vert through it in my face as a waste of time. Very classy.
This is just a short look at what took us to here.

Jump ahead a few months to a post on another clans forum which people I'm sure was going to take as coming from MOB which it wasn't seeing as how I was the only person who knew what it concerned. The only reason I even knew about it was through a DMG player. Who only told me about it because he was mad about getting bitched at because he played on our server and it was somehow against DMG rules. Wow I wonder where that came from. Someone gets bitched at because he played on our server, and you have the nerve to call other people Nazi's???

Next comes an exchange about stupid stuff other people did that pissed Ashe off.
All I did was reply in kind.

Part of which concerned a join effort by some DMG who tried to sweet talk GPF into dropping the MOB tag from his server and using DMG in it's place.
I'm sure their was a couple of reason for this but a large part of it was because they saw it as the ultimate bash on MOB. How incredibly childish for several reasons.
If you want DMG on the server you need to switch the tag, as we don't play on MOB servers Which by the way is their own decision based on stupid reasons they can't even justify.
Part of whats funny about this is we wouldn't of cared either way. A year and a half ago I even suggested that he dropped the MOB name from his server do to issues with some people helping admin his server and the fact he really no longer needed the name as he had already built a popular server on his own. GPF as the stand up guy that he is, took care of the problems in a quick and diplomatic way as possible and has used the tag ever since.
GPF contacts DMG as the nice guy that is to ask DMG to stop by the server.
He's then told some B.S. story about MOB while DMG members try to sweet talk him into changing the name of his server.
Whats really sad about this is, as he mentioned it didn't have anything to do with him or his server so there was really no reason it should stop DMG from playing there. When the attempt to get him to change the server name goes down the drain, GPF who has done nothing wrong to anyone suddenly becomes the asshole because he asked this SIMPLE question. "Why did DMG have a problem using missionary when playing on the MOB server?"
Again very classy.
For me the the funnest part is this.
I think almost everybody agrees it's pretty gay for a clan to recruit people off of another clans server. What he have here is people in DMG taking it to a new high level of gayness by trying not to recruit a player but the WHOLE SERVER. LOL
Vert goes on to say Ashe had nothing to do with it only he, gwg and stupad where involved. Directly this may of been the case but Ashe knew exactly what was going on and gave it his seal of approval.
While on the subject of server #4, where did DMG happen to meet their last few recruits. On the same server they will no longer play on for their own childish reasons.
Good call.

Also along with the whole missionary B.S. came this little tidbit.
Look at all we have done for MOB and they treat us this way by requesting us to use missionary, how dare they after all we have done for them.
All I can say is WOW, make that double WOW.
I didn't realize people felt the need to keep track of stuff like that as a way to justify themselves as far as they have been somehow wronged in their own mind. If thats the case, I would be more than happy to compare scorecards.

Finally comes accusation of reading PM's from the board we operate.
Although RealDeal has gotten the brunt of this, here is how it actually came about and why. Prior to the MOB split, we allowed someone from another clan permission to recruit from our server with the understanding they would contact us 1st in case we might be looking at the same player. Right after the MOB split, we asked them to stop as we where needing to rebuild or own ranks. Unfortunately they didn't, in fact it was turned up a notch. It finally got to the point of telling them they would be banned from the server if it happened again. A few days later a player contacted me to ask if he had any chance of getting into MOB because another clan wanted to recruit him but MOB would be his 1st choice.
It turns out after talking to him that he was contacted via the forum about recruitment. I, in case you missed that I asked RD to go through the database to see how much of this was going on. To our surprise more than it should of been.
The funniest one by the way said something like this.
"We can't talk to people on the server about recruitment so I sent you this message to see if you would be interested"
I thought it was pretty funny anyway.
There was a few other things going to that shouldn't of been and we privately contacted the people and asked them to stop.
I don't see what the big deal is about contacting someone for doing something in the forum that shouldn't be doing and we wouldn't let them do in the server.
A few people have gotten mad and made the accusation that we go through every private message, BTW this nicely bypasses the whole point about them doing something they shouldn't of been doing in the 1st place.
The reason they make this accusation is because they are illiterate to how a database is setup.
Private messages are indexed across multiple tables.
You can't simple read a message, title , who sent it , who received it, message text is all indexed in separate tables. Not to mention the fact messages are not even in chronological order. It's simply this, a search is done with a few keywords ( join, recruit, cheat ).
Oh yea, cheat is in their too. 3 People have been banned do to them talking about cheating on our server. Wow aren't we a bunch of Nazis. LMAO

[realdeal]

Ashe,



You need to check your own facts. You don't have to look too far either. How about checking your own forums? Take a look at my post on your forums HERE from January 2005


What you state in your reply is not what happened at all.

Again, if that's what Diesel told you, then he was mistaken. The post that generated DMG and Missionary this is still in our private forums. I have posted it before on your forums and will do it again here.

This is from a MOB member (not Druid or I):

"Just curious if they get special treatment on the server? They never use missionary and always post pretty descent scores. Since we enforce missionary for everyone can we get them to use it? I'm not accusing them of anything, just saying that when someone without tags shoots good we want them to use missionary. Why not them? I know some of you are really good friend swith them, just bringing it up."

My post immediately after that was:

"DMG is on the list in CI. The server should disconnect them after about 5 or so minutes if they are not running Missionary. We are talking about the 69.56.164.122 server right?

And my next post:
"Ooops... they weren't on the list. I had their tags listed as DGM instead of DMG... They are now"

As previously stated, no one left the server to kick you. I got disconnected during the SF to DV crash which as you know happens to alot of people sometimes.

Do you really think you're that important that I would leave my game just so I can kick you from the server?

As for your ending comment, gee you are so original! I never heard that one before. The MOB split was over a year ago... LMAO..

Don't you have some servers to try and recruit?


Oh yeah... I like how you say this:

I did read this and I did send him an email. I simply asked how I may help him. I am not going to beg or even ask about the server, I will let him bring it up. I really dont care either way. Everyone just be cool and remember our Code of Conduct. Lets not start bashing people publicly, be nice on forums etc. Everyone please stick to this. Thanks.

But prior to that you said:

Get this done

And before you're "Get this done" quote, this was posted:

={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- He asked us if there were any solutions that could be worked out so we could play there again and I think the only way this could be done would be to break off from MOB. THis would be cool since we pay nothing for the server, he does it just cuz he likes to play! It would also be good since there are already tons of regulars on that server so it would boost our forums and webpage tremedously! think about it, free server 64 people, west coast for us CALI DMG, and free advertizing for DMGclan.com!
HAHA, first we take their players now we take their server! DONT FUCK WITH DMG
={DMG}=Vertigo --- I think it'd be cool. Just to shove it in their faces. DMG #4 it would look so good. It always attracts players, I love the server because I poon noobs on it Gretzky style.

So don't try and play little Miss innocent. Stop trying to change the subject of the post. You knew exactly what was going on and approved of it.

I could give a shit about what you think of me, but for you to approve of going behind Druid's back like that is pretty sad. Druid is the man that has always been there for you to help you with your servers and whatever else you needed. Druid put you on the map and that's how you repay him? Sad.

This post has been edited by realdeal: 06/04/05 2:44pm