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[Druid]

This is continued from elsewhere as a member of the clan requested.
I'm sure whoever needs to will find their way here
Vert I've no clue what bug has been up your ass forever concerning MOB but I'm guessing it goes all the way beck to the days of PKU. Get over it already.

Now to continue on with the discussion.
This all started with the missionary stuff so lets take a closer look.
Ashe's accusation was that RD left the server and restarted CI which then kicked DMG for not using missionary, which according to them was never brought up, even though it was on numerous occasions.
1st everyone has been playing mohaa long enough to know it's a common issue getting disconnected after DV. So much for the accusation RealDeal left the server to switch CI.
2nd CI for over a year has broadcast a message to the server when it's shut down. So much for the accusation RealDeal restarted CI with the purpose of kicking DMG.
If that was the case you would of seen a message from CI about the restart which you didn't now did you?
Next comes the bitch fest about how wrong MOB was to ask the DMG players to use missionary.
I take the time to extend a virtual olive branch on your forum to solve any misunderstandings just to have Vert through it in my face as a waste of time. Very classy.
This is just a short look at what took us to here.

Jump ahead a few months to a post on another clans forum which people I'm sure was going to take as coming from MOB which it wasn't seeing as how I was the only person who knew what it concerned. The only reason I even knew about it was through a DMG player. Who only told me about it because he was mad about getting bitched at because he played on our server and it was somehow against DMG rules. Wow I wonder where that came from. Someone gets bitched at because he played on our server, and you have the nerve to call other people Nazi's???

Next comes an exchange about stupid stuff other people did that pissed Ashe off.
All I did was reply in kind.

Part of which concerned a join effort by some DMG who tried to sweet talk GPF into dropping the MOB tag from his server and using DMG in it's place.
I'm sure their was a couple of reason for this but a large part of it was because they saw it as the ultimate bash on MOB. How incredibly childish for several reasons.
If you want DMG on the server you need to switch the tag, as we don't play on MOB servers Which by the way is their own decision based on stupid reasons they can't even justify.
Part of whats funny about this is we wouldn't of cared either way. A year and a half ago I even suggested that he dropped the MOB name from his server do to issues with some people helping admin his server and the fact he really no longer needed the name as he had already built a popular server on his own. GPF as the stand up guy that he is, took care of the problems in a quick and diplomatic way as possible and has used the tag ever since.
GPF contacts DMG as the nice guy that is to ask DMG to stop by the server.
He's then told some B.S. story about MOB while DMG members try to sweet talk him into changing the name of his server.
Whats really sad about this is, as he mentioned it didn't have anything to do with him or his server so there was really no reason it should stop DMG from playing there. When the attempt to get him to change the server name goes down the drain, GPF who has done nothing wrong to anyone suddenly becomes the asshole because he asked this SIMPLE question. "Why did DMG have a problem using missionary when playing on the MOB server?"
Again very classy.
For me the the funnest part is this.
I think almost everybody agrees it's pretty gay for a clan to recruit people off of another clans server. What he have here is people in DMG taking it to a new high level of gayness by trying not to recruit a player but the WHOLE SERVER. LOL
Vert goes on to say Ashe had nothing to do with it only he, gwg and stupad where involved. Directly this may of been the case but Ashe knew exactly what was going on and gave it his seal of approval.
While on the subject of server #4, where did DMG happen to meet their last few recruits. On the same server they will no longer play on for their own childish reasons.
Good call.

Also along with the whole missionary B.S. came this little tidbit.
Look at all we have done for MOB and they treat us this way by requesting us to use missionary, how dare they after all we have done for them.
All I can say is WOW, make that double WOW.
I didn't realize people felt the need to keep track of stuff like that as a way to justify themselves as far as they have been somehow wronged in their own mind. If thats the case, I would be more than happy to compare scorecards.

Finally comes accusation of reading PM's from the board we operate.
Although RealDeal has gotten the brunt of this, here is how it actually came about and why. Prior to the MOB split, we allowed someone from another clan permission to recruit from our server with the understanding they would contact us 1st in case we might be looking at the same player. Right after the MOB split, we asked them to stop as we where needing to rebuild or own ranks. Unfortunately they didn't, in fact it was turned up a notch. It finally got to the point of telling them they would be banned from the server if it happened again. A few days later a player contacted me to ask if he had any chance of getting into MOB because another clan wanted to recruit him but MOB would be his 1st choice.
It turns out after talking to him that he was contacted via the forum about recruitment. I, in case you missed that I asked RD to go through the database to see how much of this was going on. To our surprise more than it should of been.
The funniest one by the way said something like this.
"We can't talk to people on the server about recruitment so I sent you this message to see if you would be interested"
I thought it was pretty funny anyway.
There was a few other things going to that shouldn't of been and we privately contacted the people and asked them to stop.
I don't see what the big deal is about contacting someone for doing something in the forum that shouldn't be doing and we wouldn't let them do in the server.
A few people have gotten mad and made the accusation that we go through every private message, BTW this nicely bypasses the whole point about them doing something they shouldn't of been doing in the 1st place.
The reason they make this accusation is because they are illiterate to how a database is setup.
Private messages are indexed across multiple tables.
You can't simple read a message, title , who sent it , who received it, message text is all indexed in separate tables. Not to mention the fact messages are not even in chronological order. It's simply this, a search is done with a few keywords ( join, recruit, cheat ).
Oh yea, cheat is in their too. 3 People have been banned do to them talking about cheating on our server. Wow aren't we a bunch of Nazis. LMAO

[={DMG}=Girls w/ guns]

First of all MOB there you go again. Doing what you do best perpetuating drama. Doesn’t Mob have lives outside of MOHAA, AWH, didn’t think so. You’re the ones who hold on to shit. Ashe didn’t say much in his little comment about mob. Your perception of things is a little off. Oh, I assume it goes back to the missionary issue. Assuming this assuming that; why don’t you assume that you’re really not that important for us to still give rat’s ass about your missionary deal. DROP IT. Talk about living in the past. I bet your archiving links and replies so you can readily have it “in case” it ever comes up. Move the fuck on please. Have you guys grown so enveloped in this whole charade that you’ve sunk so far as to try and Hack our Members only section of the site?

DID you guys HACK our "PRIVATE MEMBERS FORUM" to steal the information from a copy write protected site and repost it on public sites for the sole purpose of beginning a flame war? Or did you just work really hard to try and persuade a “so called” DMG member to give you the password so that you can steal private information? Oh is this the second clan you’ve done it to? If that’s not bad enough you know that far and few DMG give a shit about your drama enough to read your forums so you go to TLD and try to start a FLAME WAR there too. Come the fuck on. Yes a great example of integrity and leadership you continually show the mohaa community.


Second of all:
It’s self imposed ban .Maybe he doesn’t want us to even have to deal with FASCIST leaders; who Snoop in all the so called “PRIVATE MESSAGES” in their forums; then acts out on the snooping. Perhaps he doesn’t want us to invoke any conversation with people who like harbor old “issues” and repeatedly bring them back up when given the chance. Maybe he doesn’t want us to deal with a leader who tries so damn hard to figure out what’s going on in DMG’s private members section. Christ it makes fucking sense to me. Why not pull the plug at the root of the problem; so we can spend more time --- PLAYING THE DAMN GAME.

PLEASE read AT LEAST THIS SECTION
THIRDLY: MAYBE YOU NEED A REFRESHER COURSE ON THE WHOLE ENTIRE HISTORY BEHIND the MOB 4 deal.

Before we were even DMG me and Stupad used to play on mob 4 ALLOT, We befriended GPF and the regulars (unlike the mob players who seldom went there and when they did they would talk shit to noobs and force ss on everyone who had a better score than them) I busted cheaters, got games started and got people to come back> Every night it was GPF, me, Stupad, the Mexican, errtuu and richard cranium there for roll call at midnight. GPF even wanted me and Stupad to be “official regulars” for his server (but then we got picked up by DMG) he thanked us for everything we were doing for his server. I liked his server and him because he seemed different than MOB he was actually trying to make it fun for people. Low and behold on mob 4 Holden Caulfield becomes my friend. When I joined DMG I never said shit about the “DMG” site while on the server cause I didn’t want to “step on” real deals sensitive toes (even though people would ask). I didn’t want to publicly mention our site because I heard how Mob’s leader was. So, WHAT DO I DO? I figure I’ll just mention where my new site is to my friend in a “PRIVATE MESSAGE” (if you want the definition of private I can look it up for you) as to not piss off anyone or “spam”. LOW AND BEHOLD – YES what happens to private messages on the MOB SITE? They aren’t private, not at all. The next thing you know Read Deal is messaging ASHE saying he wants to “ban me” for advertising in a “PRIVATE MESSAGE” not addressed to him. Jokingly saying “is she slow” cause I didn’t understand the so called subjective rules of “spam”. WTF it’s a god damn fuckin game.. HELLO. Turns out that MOB wanted to recruit my friend. He would have joined if not for the injustice and hypocrisy and lack of integrity displayed MOBS leadership. He declined because of what Real Deal did.

That’s the thanks we get for all the time busting cheaters on MOB 4, getting people to download new maps, creating regulars and starting up the server. You could say I was FUCKIN ANGRY about the BS. I did put a self imposed ban from the server myself. For reason of principle and Real Deal’s fascism. I missed GPFs server and all the regulars. I wanted to let GPF know why we weren’t going to be around anymore because his clan leader is full of shit. He asked what would have to happen so I can play there again and I said simply “break away from mob” and it was my idea to ask if he needed a clan to associate with he could use our name. I thought he was better than what some of Mob had become (talking down to noobs, accusing everyone with better scores of hacking, ego trips and a general lack of respect for anyone not in a clan or who doesn’t kiss their ass). I was telling him that as a friend and someone who really loved his server and wanted to see it grow (its subjective so don’t tell me otherwise). So yeah, I’m guilty it was me! Do I deserve a spanking now or what? Don’t blame it on DMG… blame it on Girls w/guns. I don’t really give a rat’s ass! If I did something I’ll be the first to admit it. I did it with just cause. Don’t drag anyone else into your imbroglio of drama. I just explained why I did it. So if you still have funk about it you got funk with ME. Not Ashe, not Farmer not even Vert or Stupad; ME. So, what’s the point?

DRUID I don’t know you but I respected you because I heard you were intelligent and reasonable. I am not trying to start a fucking flame war between current MOB members but I think you needed to hear another side of the story. Whether or not you take the time to hear an opposing opinion is beyond my control. I just wanted to put it out there. Your own members/leaders are not infallible. Yes it was me who suggested GPF break away from MOB. Not Ashe, not anyone else. It was all my idea and my instigating; so what. It may have been wrong from your perspective but my behavior was a reaction to the actions of Real Deal. From my perspective I feel justified in my behavior and do not regret my actions. I did it for selfish reasons because I wanted to play there every night without having to deal with all the drama MOB likes bring about (i.e. Real deals snooping habits and name calling and his inexpedient abuse of administrative powers). I loved the late night high speed carnage wars with GPF, TLD, DMG and other great players; and wanted a positive place to play without having to deal with Real Deals antics or some of your members forcing SS on me when the server owner knows I don’t cheat (and actually bust others for it). It seems in this plight of clan dealings you people forgot how to have fun and what clans are really supposed to be about. It seems that MOB doesn’t appreciate the newer folks who fill your servers, try catch hackers; you know the little gamers that make the world go round. For some of MOB I apologize if you are offended by what I’ve said if you have integrity and have shown respect for the gaming community then these comments don’t apply to you. You say you judge clans on how hard they try to create a place for people to play and have fun; does this not apply to your own clan as well.

NOTE: Don’t bother replying to me on this forum. I won’t propagate anymore bullshit drama or flame wars. I’m not coming back to view this thread or post a rebuttal I said what I needed to say. I don’t care who reads it or who doesn’t. I just wanted Druid to have some first hand background info and commentary as to what led up to this crap. If Druid has anything else to say he can find me on the DMG site (and that goes for anyone else who wants to take it amongst themselves to further perpetuate the situation).

How about this for resolution; I will never play on any of your servers again. Also, I hereby offer an apology for anyone that’s been offended as a result of my actions; although I am not apologizing for my actions themselves.

And how bout real deal get a goddamned life and stop harboring shit from 5 months ago and trying so hard to spy on whatever the fuck is going on in our "Private Members Forum" How about you let every other clan into your private member forums and let us see the shit you said that was to be kept amongst yourselfs. WTF seriously who's so childishly into it that they spend all of thier spare time fucking trying to get others clans members to divulge inner clan info or whats going on in their private members forum. NEWSFLASH

This post has been edited by ={DMG}=Girls w/ guns: 06/05/05 5:50am

[Silver]

BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

ok im gonna chime in here....
1.) who the fuck are? how long have you been in the mohaa world? oh yeah wait, thats right you have been around for like what a minute? you seriously think that your actions will affect {MOB} or anyother clan? no.....good bye I or anyone else around really dont GIVE 2 SHITS if you drop dead while helping the homeless.

2.) well this explains why ashe refused to send me the pk3's for the coduo server. kinda nice, didnt have to ban me, but also wouldnt let me play there either. not like i really care, theres 4000 other servers (mostly full to kick ass on...). so i guess {MOB} aint welcome there as well...oh wait {MOB} never asks for us not to play with others because of childish bullshit. thats all this is is 10 y/o bullshit. i hear this shit from my 2 kids. so i see the mentality....

3.) i dont ever remember real being an asshole about missionary. most clans have to use it, you dont your no better then a hack. but your whole clan refused to use it. how would i know because i remember seeing a few DMG (one being vert) bitching about using it on the server back when i played on it....this is while DMG didnt have a server, but then they got one again...make up your minds if you gonna play a game. done come to the server no one give 2 shits. (you should be familar with that now.)

4.) holden coulfield (? correct spelling) who give 2 shits what he thinks...stay the fuck away!!!
adios, BYE BYE!!!!

now for DMG, HOODS......the stupidity from OCC must be spreading. one dumb fuck to you cunt w/ gunz.


to anyone that was around for a while Bullet, Barg0d......i see why some of the older MOB guys say F?U right off the bat. assholes like you.

Fuck being friends
fuck off



*P.S.* I dont remeber druid or Realdeal ever proclaiming to be GODs around here. hes been here the longest and is probally one of the nicest 2 guys around. do me a favor, dont insult them....as for ASHE he gets his jollys off by starting shit around mohaa. thats from his own words.

This post has been edited by Silver: 06/05/05 10:52am