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[Druid]

This is continued from elsewhere as a member of the clan requested.
I'm sure whoever needs to will find their way here
Vert I've no clue what bug has been up your ass forever concerning MOB but I'm guessing it goes all the way beck to the days of PKU. Get over it already.

Now to continue on with the discussion.
This all started with the missionary stuff so lets take a closer look.
Ashe's accusation was that RD left the server and restarted CI which then kicked DMG for not using missionary, which according to them was never brought up, even though it was on numerous occasions.
1st everyone has been playing mohaa long enough to know it's a common issue getting disconnected after DV. So much for the accusation RealDeal left the server to switch CI.
2nd CI for over a year has broadcast a message to the server when it's shut down. So much for the accusation RealDeal restarted CI with the purpose of kicking DMG.
If that was the case you would of seen a message from CI about the restart which you didn't now did you?
Next comes the bitch fest about how wrong MOB was to ask the DMG players to use missionary.
I take the time to extend a virtual olive branch on your forum to solve any misunderstandings just to have Vert through it in my face as a waste of time. Very classy.
This is just a short look at what took us to here.

Jump ahead a few months to a post on another clans forum which people I'm sure was going to take as coming from MOB which it wasn't seeing as how I was the only person who knew what it concerned. The only reason I even knew about it was through a DMG player. Who only told me about it because he was mad about getting bitched at because he played on our server and it was somehow against DMG rules. Wow I wonder where that came from. Someone gets bitched at because he played on our server, and you have the nerve to call other people Nazi's???

Next comes an exchange about stupid stuff other people did that pissed Ashe off.
All I did was reply in kind.

Part of which concerned a join effort by some DMG who tried to sweet talk GPF into dropping the MOB tag from his server and using DMG in it's place.
I'm sure their was a couple of reason for this but a large part of it was because they saw it as the ultimate bash on MOB. How incredibly childish for several reasons.
If you want DMG on the server you need to switch the tag, as we don't play on MOB servers Which by the way is their own decision based on stupid reasons they can't even justify.
Part of whats funny about this is we wouldn't of cared either way. A year and a half ago I even suggested that he dropped the MOB name from his server do to issues with some people helping admin his server and the fact he really no longer needed the name as he had already built a popular server on his own. GPF as the stand up guy that he is, took care of the problems in a quick and diplomatic way as possible and has used the tag ever since.
GPF contacts DMG as the nice guy that is to ask DMG to stop by the server.
He's then told some B.S. story about MOB while DMG members try to sweet talk him into changing the name of his server.
Whats really sad about this is, as he mentioned it didn't have anything to do with him or his server so there was really no reason it should stop DMG from playing there. When the attempt to get him to change the server name goes down the drain, GPF who has done nothing wrong to anyone suddenly becomes the asshole because he asked this SIMPLE question. "Why did DMG have a problem using missionary when playing on the MOB server?"
Again very classy.
For me the the funnest part is this.
I think almost everybody agrees it's pretty gay for a clan to recruit people off of another clans server. What he have here is people in DMG taking it to a new high level of gayness by trying not to recruit a player but the WHOLE SERVER. LOL
Vert goes on to say Ashe had nothing to do with it only he, gwg and stupad where involved. Directly this may of been the case but Ashe knew exactly what was going on and gave it his seal of approval.
While on the subject of server #4, where did DMG happen to meet their last few recruits. On the same server they will no longer play on for their own childish reasons.
Good call.

Also along with the whole missionary B.S. came this little tidbit.
Look at all we have done for MOB and they treat us this way by requesting us to use missionary, how dare they after all we have done for them.
All I can say is WOW, make that double WOW.
I didn't realize people felt the need to keep track of stuff like that as a way to justify themselves as far as they have been somehow wronged in their own mind. If thats the case, I would be more than happy to compare scorecards.

Finally comes accusation of reading PM's from the board we operate.
Although RealDeal has gotten the brunt of this, here is how it actually came about and why. Prior to the MOB split, we allowed someone from another clan permission to recruit from our server with the understanding they would contact us 1st in case we might be looking at the same player. Right after the MOB split, we asked them to stop as we where needing to rebuild or own ranks. Unfortunately they didn't, in fact it was turned up a notch. It finally got to the point of telling them they would be banned from the server if it happened again. A few days later a player contacted me to ask if he had any chance of getting into MOB because another clan wanted to recruit him but MOB would be his 1st choice.
It turns out after talking to him that he was contacted via the forum about recruitment. I, in case you missed that I asked RD to go through the database to see how much of this was going on. To our surprise more than it should of been.
The funniest one by the way said something like this.
"We can't talk to people on the server about recruitment so I sent you this message to see if you would be interested"
I thought it was pretty funny anyway.
There was a few other things going to that shouldn't of been and we privately contacted the people and asked them to stop.
I don't see what the big deal is about contacting someone for doing something in the forum that shouldn't be doing and we wouldn't let them do in the server.
A few people have gotten mad and made the accusation that we go through every private message, BTW this nicely bypasses the whole point about them doing something they shouldn't of been doing in the 1st place.
The reason they make this accusation is because they are illiterate to how a database is setup.
Private messages are indexed across multiple tables.
You can't simple read a message, title , who sent it , who received it, message text is all indexed in separate tables. Not to mention the fact messages are not even in chronological order. It's simply this, a search is done with a few keywords ( join, recruit, cheat ).
Oh yea, cheat is in their too. 3 People have been banned do to them talking about cheating on our server. Wow aren't we a bunch of Nazis. LMAO

[Druid]

Ashe
you are only showing your ignorance and lack of anything resembling intelligence.
Funny you would say that seeing as how it was what I was going to reply to this

={DMG}=Girls w/ guns
So DID YOU GUYS HACK our "PRIVATE MEMBERS FORUM" to steal the information from a copy write protected site and repost it on public sites for the sole purpose of beginning a flame war? Or did you just work really hard to try and persuade a “so called” DMG member to give you the password so that you can steal private information? Oh is this the second clan you’ve done it to? Yes a great example of integrity you continually show the mohaa community. “Oh self righteous leader"

Once again another accusation that stems from your own illiteracy.
Yep we hacked your forum, you don't even understand how and why thats not possible. It's true nuke sites get hacked all the time. There are two reasons for this.
1) they don't keep updated, which isn't the case on yours
2) The sites are ran from here today gone tomorrow host that don't know how to correctly secures the site or version of SQL they use. This again isn't the case because your site is hosted the same place ours is.

As for the accusation I tried so hard to persuade someone to do something, you are obviously confusing me with yourself ( ie. Hey GPF here is a B.S. story I'll tell you to try and get you to change your server Tags ).
This is simply how it happened.
I was playing on our server and someone was running up a good score.
I was still logged into our server box and I thought it might me someone who I had just previous banned for wallhacking, so I did a quick check of their IP.
To my suprise it happen to be one of your players.
I asked why he was smurfing.
He asked to go to spec then he told me it was so he wouldn't get bitched at.
I told him I didn't care if DMG played on our server, more the merrier but I don't like people smurfing as it causes problems.
His reply was "No not you guys Heir Ashe Hitler bitches if we play on MOB servers"
After that I had a very enlighting converstion with him.

Yep your right that's a lot of massive persuading on my part.

While we are on the subject of hacking, do me a favor and ask Ashe who fixed the DMG Server box after it was hacked to save you guys a $100 OS reload fee.
Gooddamn ain't I the Asshole... How dare I... LMAO

Seeing as how you want to justify your acusation by bringing up TLD and what happened on their forum.
I didn't hack it someone else did, several people brought it to my attention.
When I got there, very true I saved a copy of it.
This was for one reason and one reason only.
Certain members who are no longer active had huge issues that they where unwilling to discuss, deal with or simply drop. The only reason I brought it up in a reply to one of their members is I wasn't going to let him continue pissing down my back while he tried to tell me it was raining.
Did I ever do anything publicly with it. No
In fact recently, I'm the one who pointed out TLD where begging to get hacked again becauss they was running an old version. When they tried to update it and ran into problem, I helped fix it.
So please don't try to add what happen with TLD into this fray because you only make yourself look more silly.

As for the rest of your post.
={DMG}=Girls w/ guns
I think you’re a little too pre-occupied with the POLITICS of it; so much so that you forgot what the mohaa community should really be about. He spammed that, she spammed this, this clan said this in their private member forum, 2 years ago when I asked them to use missionary they wouldn’t. You like to keep tabs, hold shit over people’s heads when half of the current clan members weren’t even around when the shit happened.
The perfect example of what I'm talking about.
The only real differnce is it's a reflection of you not us, thats what you fail or refuse to understand.
The whole discussion involving server #4 is the perfect example.
GPF is the nicest guy, has never said anything bad about or to anyone.
Yet you won't play on his server for your own petty reasons. A server you and many DMG liked to play on. Yet now you refuse to for the exact same clan POLITICS you accuse us of.

Here is the summary.
Someone is told a B.S. story to try and get server tags changed.
Part of the reason is because they assume it will be some big bash on MOB.
When it doesn't work out, A nice guy who had down nothing wrong becomes a pansy an asshole.
Which breaks down to
"If you don't change your server tag we are going to take our ball and go home"
So don't you dare lecture me about childish antics.