war in Iraq Options

[Hellfighter]

I want to say that i am for the war and i always will be. Pres. Bush did exactly what he said he was going to do, he took the war to the Terrorists and thats where the terrorists are. Now the terrorists are fighting the people that are trained to protect this country and not blowing up the people that are trying to build it. Now with that said , i don't know who is getting rich off this war and really don't care. I'm not getting rich and probably never will, but i will still fight for his right to do so and your right to voice your opinon about it. Now i don't know if Sadam was a terrorist or not, i was not in his inner circle, but i do know that he and his followers were very bad people and the world is a safer place now that they are out of power thanks to our brave soldiers. Now the problems in Iraq were not forseen by anyone, and no one can see the future. I am tired of the armchair generals in this country trying to tell everyone what should have happend or what should be happening. The people that know what's going on are the people in the field, it's the people fighting the war, don't cut them short, let them finish the job that they started. Everything will work out in the end, i promise. You can hold me to that!!!!!!!!

Sure the terrorists are in Iraq now, but aren't homegrown there. Even Bush and Cheney said they were NOT going after terrorists in Iraq! It was all about the potential for global WMD chaos that was their SOLE reason for going over there... which I said already I agreed with just not how the neo-con baffoons screwed up the good work the troops/Generals had done in psyching out the enemy forces and knifing through to their objective.

I disagree about unforseen problems too, Cheney and Rumsfeld were far too smug in equating military success with objective success... it was apparent they miscalculated the required post military infrastructure set-up and being prepared for a potential insurgency especially knowing saddam's fedyeenhad gone underground to stir up civil chaos. The foreign terrorists moved into Iraq full force seeing this blunder by the Whitehouse.

It's unforgiveable the troops weren't better equipped as soon as enemy tactics changed to IEDs.... the facts show the Whitehouse dragging their feet for months in not supplying up-armoured equipment to US forces and iraqi policemen! All that while those goons, Cheney and Rumsfeld smirked on camera about how fine and dandy things were going, and even Bush daring the enemy to 'bring it on'!! Come on- isn't that crap!

Why blow up the whole Middle-East; most of the folks there are normal people like you and me... generally the majority of Iraqis and Iranians would prefer a free thinking society - have you met them in person... I'm curious... they often mention how they hate their 'leaders' and feel sorry for their families still living there under those regimes. I believe some folks issues are more with the brutal thugs in power and a slaughter of innocents around them is not humane, and even is at the level of the monsters causing strife in the mid.East. However, I'm all for sending a clear statement of unimaginable consequences the moment a clear threat is perceived, enough to make the commonfolk in those countries think about not sitting on the fence while their leaders smugly go about making plans for a global holocaust.

Anyway so while you may think I'm too libby, keep in mind it twists my guts thinking about the world powers twiddling their thumbs when they ignore events leading to mass destruction and genocides.. ie, Rwanda, Balkans, , pre WW2-->Czechs/Manchuria/Ethiopia/Alscace-Lorraine to name a few.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 04/06/06 9:05am

[pezking]

The whole idea of let's just bomb them is silly.
Would you want someone else to apply the same logic to us?
I don't think so.

The idea of trying to instill a small limited democracy in the middele east, to me shows a lot of common sense and the possibility of great rewards, although only in the future.
I think the real problem is no one thought it would be this hard to do.
I'm guessing no one foresaw the difficulties, probably because cultural differences.
1) Even though the West has many strong religious ties to seveal different doctrines , compared to the East we are almost completely secular.
2) Everything about the west is based on personal freedoms, were as the East have little or none.

BTW pezking, your wrong about BinLadin and his followesrs being against us because of the 1st Gulf War.
He helped finance an form Al-Qaeda 3 years before the Gulf War.
A little triva for those who like it
Al-Qaeda in arabic stands for "The Base", as in "base of operations for the JIHAD against the Infidels"

I'm not dissagreeing at all. I saw this whole thing on the History Channel about Bin Laden, his history and all. They had speeches of him talking about how the infindels invaded the holy land during the Gulf War and then later, post-9/11 talking about how that was a main catalyst of why they planned the attacks in the US. Don't forget that he was working for us in the 80's... on US payroll. Oh wait a second, so was Saddam! LOL... craziness. So 2 guys that we want dead NOW, used to get money from the USA. Goes to show that the old saying, "my enemy's enemy is my ally" is not always correct.

[Hellfighter]

"my enemy's enemy is my ally" is not always correct.

Like my guru Yoda said, [in Emp.Strikes Back?]
"Funny thing the future.... always in motion."

[Undertow]

Why blow up the whole Middle-East; most of the folks there are normal people like you and me... generally the majority of Iraqis and Iranians would prefer a free thinking society - have you met them in person... I'm curious...

Its funny you say that. Funny because I used to work shipping and receiving for a corporation, & one day we had a foreign truck driver. When I asked where he was from, he said (almost in a whisper) 'Iraq'. So I asked what brought him here. He said that he & his brother defected from his country as they didn't want to follow the Muslim religion. He told me that they were in college and after that they would be forced into the military. So in the two month lay over between college and military they took off to Germany and then came over here. What astounded me was this guy told me the only solution we as Americans have is to nuke the middle east. He said there are so many militant groups over there that it would be hard to get rid of them all. This coming from the mouth of an Iraqi. To say the least I was shocked he thought we should nuke his country.

[UNDEAD 1]

QUESTION-IM TRYING TO POST THESE VIDEOS! not having any luck,the size is 211mb.



any suggestions,i may need a walk through,lol.

it wont fit into an email.

[pezking]

I've spoken to people like that Undertow and alot of them feel the same way. The problem I find with that is... take a few random Americans and ask them their view on anything and most of them will be different. So now we're asking ex-Iraqis, who defected from their country, what their views on Iraq and the middle east are. I'm sure they'll be skewed, just like any US soldier that defects to Canada. I'm sure some people will preach that we need to impeach Bush while others stand behind him.

I personally don't think bombing the crap out of the middle east solves anything. I also don't think the world will live in harmonious peace either. My opinion, we have one week where everyone in the world converts to the Muslim faith, then everyone in the middle east doesn't have to hate us for being infidels. LMAO!

[Hellfighter]

Why blow up the whole Middle-East; most of the folks there are normal people like you and me... generally the majority of Iraqis and Iranians would prefer a free thinking society - have you met them in person... I'm curious...

Its funny you say that. Funny because I used to work shipping and receiving for a corporation, & one day we had a foreign truck driver. When I asked where he was from, he said (almost in a whisper) 'Iraq'. So I asked what brought him here. He said that he & his brother defected from his country as they didn't want to follow the Muslim religion. He told me that they were in college and after that they would be forced into the military. So in the two month lay over between college and military they took off to Germany and then came over here. What astounded me was this guy told me the only solution we as Americans have is to nuke the middle east. He said there are so many militant groups over there that it would be hard to get rid of them all. This coming from the mouth of an Iraqi. To say the least I was shocked he thought we should nuke his country.

Well goes to show there are nutjobs in everypart of this world!
We have had whack-jobs like Timothy McVeigh here . [U.S].....
I know alot of Iranians and Iraqis as very good friends, and they don't hold those'final solution' views, and they wish to see normalcy back there... I can see the hurt they have inside them that friends and relatives they have there don't enjoy the freedoms in a democracy.

QUESTION-IM TRYING TO POST THESE VIDEOS! not having any luck,the size is 211mb.



any suggestions,i may need a walk through,lol.

it wont fit into an email.

What's the video format...? maybe it can be changed to a less 'bulky' video format... Also you could maybe then split the movie into parts if possible.... and then just link from this thread to a free hosting site that permits video posting....


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 04/06/06 12:33pm

[Maj. H8Red]

I personally don't think bombing the crap out of the middle east solves anything. I also don't think the world will live in harmonious peace either.

It might not solve everything, but it would be a good place to start.

[UNDEAD 1]

if we were to bomb them we would be like the nazis and the whole world would rally against us because we would be the war murderers. it would be worth their while to take us out !

[Silver]

we can never win in Iraq

[UNDEAD 1]

we can never win in Iraq

YOU ARE CORRECT! i dont think any city siege has been a successfull campaign except berlin!

FEEZY-CHECK MY WORK!

stalingrad all over again? a little different in iraq because theres 3 religious parties trying to take control.i say we release saddam and say -PROMISE NOT TO MAKE NUKES? saddam; YES ,RELEASED! have your country back ,dont attack anyone ! full pull out of am gis and for that matter take the embassey too!

someone tell me how to post this video-very cool! apache shots and bazzooka takes out a sniper in tower!

i need help!

[pezking]

what's the extension on the video? you could always upload and just post the link.

[UNDEAD 1]

what's the extension on the video? you could always upload and just post the link.

tried i have a video its 211 mb and i cant even put it in an email.tried to post it on the web but that didnt work.give me some ideas!

sorry pez,2 are mpeg ((155 mb) 1 is wmv (55mb)

[Hellfighter]

Try this tool to split up mpeg and wmv movies UNDEAD... it's very easy to use, free for 30 days I believe.
http://www.gold-software.com/FxMovieSplitt...-file10017.html

Then post the clips for free here; actually there maybe a file upload limit- I can't remember. But look around for such sites to link at.
http://www.youtube.com/signup_login?next=my_videos_upload


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 04/06/06 4:19pm

[All over but the Crying]

I personally don't think bombing the crap out of the middle east solves anything. I also don't think the world will live in harmonious peace either.

It might not solve everything, but it would be a good place to start.

Good place to start what? WW3?