Toronto terror 'plot'... 6pak - comments?, Large terror cell recently busted Options

[Oh You]

Hell, i know i am probably wrong, but seeing how we just did a 2 week "unit" on the topic of immigration in Canada in my Social Studies class, i'd thought i'd throw this out there. (Ok, the textbooks are 12 years old, so who knows )

Basically, we learned that there are 3 main ways to come to Canada as an immigrant. They are, 1, with a sponsor, which has to be a close relative, no further than grandfather/mother or aunt/uncle or something like that. 2, as an independant, which is most common when the potential immigrant has an education, or money to invest. The 3rd is as a Refugee, which is basically, if you fear returning to your country for any reason.

On the whole, uniforms and religous attire. I can see both points. It is a very strong part of many religions, and if a turban is demanded to be removed, so to should any crosses on chains, or such symbols. Because they are not standard issue either.

But on the other hand, if a policy on dress is in place, you should not expect to be allowed to change it because of your beliefs.

as for the adult they can defend themselve.

Can they, could you? Honestly, thinlk about it, could you fend for yourself in the conditions they must try to survive in? Can you even imagine what they would have to go through. Sure, we all want to save those poor little kids on the Christian Children's Fund commercials, but we can't just say, sorry anybody over 30, go fuck yourself, can we?

You all signed off on the discussion, but i still gotta get some input in this.

Great discussion, i really enjoy this kind of thing.

Hope to see you in my iron sights soon!

[Hellfighter]

1.Ok, the textbooks are 12 years old, so who knows )


2.But on the other hand, if a policy on dress is in place, you should not expect to be allowed to change it because of your beliefs.

Yes sir, it was a great discussion and nice getting a game with you on Cassino last night, and my vent was working

On point 1 I'm very familiar with how folks really can get in and get citizenship... the average person needs a sponsor otherwise its the very rich or very destitute that are favoured. Though some years ago, my folks [and me] were rejected on the first try into Canada from the UK with relatives to sponsor too! 2nd time we made it. And I do know that type of preferential order is still in place.

On point 2, it's already happened [1989]. Life goes on and things like laws and attitudes will always change... usually in the sake of progress in spite of traditional opposition. So I'm not too surprised when people can't accept even the slighter social modifications.. its to be expected.
To quote the Borg, "resistance is futile" .

Now I'm done!


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 06/21/06 7:31am

[Wotansvolk]

, you should live outside of Quebec [in Canada] to hear how not just a few anti-Quebecer Canadians have radical views of where they'd like to see Quebec go along with every person in Quebec - then you'll get a feel for how biased opinions beat up an entire group of people unfairly and crazily.
Yup, I'm done too... cya in the wargrounds.

I have to say something about that...Quebecer have fought the english canadian and we have acquired our "freedom". You seem to know a lot about history in foreign country chummy, but o you know the story of french canadian in quebec in the '50's and 60's ??? We fopught cause we were handle like cattle by the english canadian who owned all the company in quebec that's where the unions were founded. I don't give a damn about English Canadian that hate French canadian.....and yeah that's a radical opinion.....cause my grand father lived in poverty, was exploited and treated like s***t by those english canadian. So they can like my b**t and s**k on my balls!!! That's one of the reason i don't want my people to be assimilated by others, so they can remember what their ancestor did for them, you need to remember not to do the same error again!!

Ok now that's all i had to say i'll try to hold back my passion and not post again here!lol
Cya boyz and gurlz!!!

[Hellfighter]

, you should live outside of Quebec [in Canada] to hear how not just a few anti-Quebecer Canadians have radical views of where they'd like to see Quebec go along with every person in Quebec - then you'll get a feel for how biased opinions beat up an entire group of people unfairly and crazily.
Yup, I'm done too... cya in the wargrounds.

I have to say something about that...Quebecer have fought the english canadian and we have acquired our "freedom". You seem to know a lot about history in foreign country chummy, but o you know the story of french canadian in quebec in the '50's and 60's ??? We fopught cause we were handle like cattle by the english canadian who owned all the company in quebec that's where the unions were founded. I don't give a damn about English Canadian that hate French canadian.....and yeah that's a radical opinion.....cause my grand father lived in poverty, was exploited and treated like s***t by those english canadian. So they can like my b**t and s**k on my balls!!! That's one of the reason i don't want my people to be assimilated by others, so they can remember what their ancestor did for them, you need to remember not to do the same error again!!

Ok now that's all i had to say i'll try to hold back my passion and not post again here!lol
Cya boyz and gurlz!!!

Important for me to add Wotan my buddy;
Believe it or not, I'm with the Quebecers wanting to retain their identity mon chum Wotan. I don't think that's radical at all... it's very noble. I'm very aware the how Quebec suffered for hundreds of years under Brit rule, and how other nations/societies [notably the Acadians] were trod on for the sake of the Empire. I lived outside of Quebec most of my life and heard [and still hear] the ugly statements some people make about Quebec and it disgusts me... most of them have never even travelled to Quebec .

So just know Wotan, whenever I do hear a stuck-up anglo start bashing Quebec, I give them a very good blasting and reality check.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 06/21/06 7:41am

[Wotansvolk]

And oh yeah i say i don't want to forget my roots but i don't won't others that come here to forget their roots either and i would like to see more native indian from canada remembering their roots, maybe their would be less problem in their community.

Just a little question Hell what do you think about the fact that some Quebecers want the independance of Quebec?? I know it's hard to give a short answer on that question but i just want to know your opinion!

I don't want to highjack the thread though!!lol


This post has been edited by Wotansvolk: 06/21/06 7:50am

[Hellfighter]

LOL, It's great to end this thread on a similar belief
Its up for Quebecers to decide in my opinion. Quebecers built the foundations of its cities as we know them and had a beautiful relationship with Natives before the Brits got in. Personally I think a 51% majority is not the best idea for a split. I'm more for a very clear margin like 75-80%- I know that's radical, but in my opinion that would leave no room for future arguments on the subject. I'd like to see Quebec with Canada. It teaches the rest of Canada[and the world] about how different societies can live together compared to how in other countries similar differences are very violent... that's why I tell anti-Quebecers to get lost. My work relates to the tourism industry and the tourists love it all over Quebec, and they keep coming back year after year.

[Wotansvolk]

I agree with what you say chummy Hell!!

[Oh You]

I believe that if there was a strong enough majority, 75% or up, as you said Hell, then sure, seperate. But the my feelings are, your either Canadian, or your not. So if you seperate, you need to mint your own money and generate your own army. There should also be a program put into place to pay back the millions in federal tax dollars spent in Quebec.

Now this certainly doesn't mean that you should lose your french heritage, but seperation isn't the answer.

[Wotansvolk]

Yes oh you i'm canadian but first of all i'm quebecer!
As for the tax i'm sorry but nothing would go back to canada!LOL
We are paying federal tax here too,it's not quebec that cost money to the federal governement, it's more the maritime. You know that during the last referendum for separation the governement of Canada showed is trust in Quebecer....they sent a big majority of the jet and copter from the base of bagotville to... i don't remember either if it was in ontario or in the USA in case the referendum go through!! Not to talk about the money given to people from all over canada to come an manifest in Quebec .....talk to me about nice and clean democracy!!lol

I agree with you on one point 51% is not enough!!

Look like i won't stop posting here now.lololol

As for our army i'm not to scared about that we have a couple of soldier in Quebec!! And why don't use the US dollar!!lol


This post has been edited by Wotansvolk: 06/21/06 12:17pm

[Hellfighter]

Don't party too hard on Jean-Baptiste day Wotan!!! .... nah, Impossible>forget that-> GO CRAZY!!! I hope you have a blast Wotan

[Wotansvolk]

For shure Chummy Hell i'll be drinking beer on Plaine d'abrahm where my french ancestor lost their fight against those Brits invaders. I'll be drinking in their memory..... i'll try to get some pics for you guys the quantity of people their is amazing and half of those people will be drunk by 11:00 pm.LOL

Hope you will be celebrating too Helly it's your party too buddy!!!

Cheers to you guys!!

[Hellfighter]

Yup, I'll be out there !

[dienamic]

I skipped over most of this but got the drift

if you want to pray, pray
if you want to convert, do so peacefully
if you want to wear a turbin, wear it when ur not in uniform

if you think you need to be treated different for any reason your a stupid fuck
make your own accomidations, make it so others dont have to deal with W/E bullshit you tie yourself up with!

if your god dont forgive you for taking off the towel to go to work then your a dumbass! DONT TRY AND GET THAT JOB!


if you believe that ppl are kind, and nice, and nice ppl finish first? please tell me what reality you live in or pass the pills!

First..................................

OK, I am out of town all week and I dare say that I cannot follow all the long posts lol. Yes Hell my man, you tactics worked great on the wrong guy lmao. I just want to get back to the topic that was started here. This is why I quoted Silver. I have to admit it, Silver and I think alot alike. It is not unreasonable to assume that if you want to become a cop, you would want hold the long held tradition of uniform with resect and honor. I know it means a hell of a lot to all the cops and firemen I know. In my eyes, and probably anyone in uniform here period. Hell, call Americans old fashion or even hard headed, but never....I mean never walk into any watering whole full of cops or firemen just to name a couple and talk of wearing a turban with your uniform. Well, not until you are sure your medical insurance is paid up.

Next...................................

America has seperated Church and State.....even prohibiting it's own citizens from praying in school, city or state offices etc. You here about this here and there involving our own people. Should it not be expected that anyone that wants to take advantage of our educational process do the same? I think this issue is just stupid. It is our rules....if you don't want to follow them, go to school some place else.

Finally................................

I just want to point out that dumb shit of an American kid that either stole something of defaced property or some shit and was publically beaten in Bancock. America allowed that because it was the laws and customs of that land. Should we not expect the same thing here? I will close in saying Silver said it best, except he did not say what I expected he would towards the end and is this; This is America and in Hell's case Canada. Love it or leave it. We have rules get over it or get a swift iron toed boot up the ass on your way to deportation.

DieNamic out till next weekend lol....



This post has been edited by dienamic: 06/24/06 4:45pm

[T/A6Pak]

['Silver']

if you want to pray, pray
if you want to convert, do so peacefully
if you want to wear a turbin, wear it when ur not in uniform

if you think you need to be treated different for any reason your a stupid fuck
make your own accomidations, make it so others dont have to deal with W/E bullshit you tie yourself up with!

if your god dont forgive you for taking off the towel to go to work then your a dumbass! DONT TRY AND GET THAT JOB!


if you believe that ppl are kind, and nice, and nice ppl finish first? please tell me what reality you live in or pass the pills! [/quote]

Finally................................

I just want to point out that dumb shit of an American kid that either stole something of defaced property or some shit and was publically beaten in Bancock. America allowed that because it was the laws and customs of that land. Should we not expect the same thing here? I will close in saying Silver said it best, except he did not say what I expected he would towards the end and is this; This is America and in Hell's case Canada. Love it or leave it. We have rules get over it or get a swift iron toed boot up the ass on your way to deportation.

DieNamic out till next weekend lol....

[/quote]

Don't think I could have said it better!!!!!!!!!!! I CONCUR

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

Yes oh you i'm canadian but first of all i'm quebecer!
As for the tax i'm sorry but nothing would go back to canada!LOL
We are paying federal tax here too,it's not quebec that cost money to the federal governement, it's more the maritime. You know that during the last referendum for separation the governement of Canada showed is trust in Quebecer....they sent a big majority of the jet and copter from the base of bagotville to... i don't remember either if it was in ontario or in the USA in case the referendum go through!! Not to talk about the money given to people from all over canada to come an manifest in Quebec .....talk to me about nice and clean democracy!!lol

I agree with you on one point 51% is not enough!!

Look like i won't stop posting here now.lololol

As for our army i'm not to scared about that we have a couple of soldier in Quebec!! And why don't use the US dollar!!lol

Oh, I get it. don't slam Quebec, but take a backhanded slap at the Maritimes. Yep, there's always someone else to hate and blame, isn't there?

MoD...one of those lowly "maritimers" that are the problem.