Support Israel, Support Israel Options

[Wotansvolk]

Price of oil is not set by the offer and the demands anymore.....but by speculation!

I'm saying it's a disguise tax. Us impose Canada to pay duty on the lumber they are selling to the US.But Canadian mills that are selling to American company put the 20% of duty in their selling price....so the lumber that you buy is more expensive by 20% and that 20% more goes into US governement pocket.So you are payin a tax without even knowing it! And as for the softwood dispute it look like the congress don't have nothing much to say!


This post has been edited by Wotansvolk: 08/15/06 1:36pm

[Hellfighter]

....
But you're still forgetting the fact that Israel called all the houses and dropped leaflets a week before invading Lebanon, not to mention it was all over the news, that they'd be coming into Lebanon and all civilians w/out relation to Hezbollah should move up 25 miles. When an army is fighting a militia or terrorist organization like Hezbollah, most of the fighters are going to be civilians. So how do you weed out the good ones from the bad? I understand there have been child fatalities but is that because they were children of Hezbollah fighters? Why didn't they leave?

Yup, every non conventional conflict brings out tit-for-tat to various degrees on both sides. While it appears the IDF is using pinpoint tactics, they do seem to have a 'to hell with it' attitude at times and succumb to using sledgehammer force that takes out large numbers of non-combatants.

In all fairness sometimes people just cannot leave, or they do their best to keep their heads down. That strategy doesn't necessarily mean hezbooblas will stay behind to fight-knowing they have no civilians to hide behind. A similar example happened during the Normandy campaign. The Germans were holding out at the city of Caen in the British/Canadian sector so much so that a huge offensive was put into plan whereby it would be precipitated by a huge bomb strike on the city. Fearing civilian casualties, leaflets were dropped for Caen residents to get the hell out. This warning was largely ignored- result, about 5,000 civilian casualties from the bombing alone.

....

they attacked an military outpost and killed 8 soldiers and took captives. that's an act of war.

To me it seems like a desperate act of provocation by a band of well-armed cunniving thugs. I'd guess a good number of Lebanese are not surprised the IDF would return to clean out the provocative hezbooblas, it's just anguishing to them the highly modernised IDF at times seemingly perform beyond what force is necessary.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 08/15/06 6:29pm

[Silver]

This is great! Wolk pick up a history book and read something. American planes were sold to the IDF during the 60's in an attempt to equal the sales from Russia to Egypt. you know cold war shit. funny thing is Egypt couldn't fill enough planes with pilots and actually used Russian flyer's to engage IDF forces. Israel piloted their own planes and killed Egyptian forces. Russia screamed that Americans were flying the planes, dues to the heavy losses Egypt encountered. yes we sell them weapons and lots of them. why you may ask? 2 reasons:

1: gives American foothold in middle east, remember peace is preparation for war.

2: Russia has always had a interest in surrounding countries and deals allot of arms to places such as Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc. so to keep an Allie in an area that is?was controlled and influenced by and arch enemy is vital. (enemy of my enemy is my ally)

to say that America is engaged in acts such as propaganda, illegal international arms sales etc... is valid. we may not have our hands in the pots but we pay someone else to do it. same idea that we (America) don't torture prisoners, but we sure as shit send them to places that do!

we are at war for many reasons, not just 9-11.

OIL! Bush has vested interest in oil, Iran Saudi Syria all make some money on oil, they in turn supply Hezbollah ha mas etc with money. were do you think the main customers are? America and Canada. our own money is being used against us at an alarming rate.

nation building, post 9-11... how much money do you think premium companies make that have gov. contracts? how many jobs and economic growth do you think has taken place since 9-11? again not new this was done back in medieval times as well...

preemptive measures of pre-self defense is not really a new policy. we were "helping" Britain, china etc... during WWII. making ships, tanks, guns and "loaning" them to our allies. in a sense we were already at war with them, at that point. we were sending pilots to Brits, china to fight as well.

so what if we tax Canada? your not part of the US. you might be a friend of us, but we have to put up with the BS being you neighbor gives us. such as weak immigration policy, weak border protection, and the never ending harassment that Canadian citizens give American tourists.

what we need to do is STOP IMPORTING CONSUMER GOODS! (not all) but American companies that downsize and open foreign manufacturing or open foreign businesses that take away jobs should be penalized 10x current tariffs and taxes. bringing jobs back to America.

Silver

they attacked an military outpost and killed 8 soldiers and took captives. that's an act of war.

HELL
To me it seems like a desperate act of provocation by a band of well-armed cunniving thugs. I'd guess a good number of Lebanese are not surprised the IDF would return to clean out the provocative hezbooblas, it's just anguishing to them the highly modernised IDF at times seemingly perform beyond what force is necessary.

its all perception on the side of the war. hezbollah does ALLOT for the citizens, hospitals, finance, food, loans etc... as a matter of fact they are going to rebuild at NO COST TO THE POPULATION! that's bold, but they get the money from Iran which dictates they destroy Israel. to help the populous they have to fight.

lesson don't bite the hand that feeds you!

This post has been edited by Silver: 08/15/06 6:40pm

[Wotansvolk]

This is great! Wolk pick up a history book and read something. American planes were sold to the IDF during the 60's in an attempt to equal the sales from Russia to Egypt. you know cold war shit. funny thing is Egypt couldn't fill enough planes with pilots and actually used Russian flyer's to engage IDF forces. Israel piloted their own planes and killed Egyptian forces. Russia screamed that Americans were flying the planes, dues to the heavy losses Egypt encountered. yes we sell them weapons and lots of them. why you may ask? 2 reasons:

1: gives American foothold in middle east, remember peace is preparation for war.Good with people like you the world is safe.

2: Russia has always had a interest in surrounding countries and deals allot of arms to places such as Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc. so to keep an Allie in an area that is?was controlled and influenced by and arch enemy is vital. (enemy of my enemy is my ally)Do you still think the cold war is on? Yeah some Weapons might be selled by the mafia..so by the governement!Do you have number of how many weapons are sold on the blackmarket versus what the US Sells and produce?

to say that America is engaged in acts such as propaganda, illegal international arms sales etc... is valid. we may not have our hands in the pots but we pay someone else to do it. same idea that we (America) don't torture prisoners, but we sure as shit send them to places that do!

we are at war for many reasons, not just 9-11. I know that.

OIL! Bush has vested interest in oil, Iran Saudi Syria all make some money on oil, they in turn supply Hezbollah ha mas etc with money. were do you think the main customers are? America USAand Canada.WE are american too ; ) our own money is being used against us at an alarming rate.Do you think Israel is not financed Do you think that Israel is not financed by personal funds?

nation building, post 9-11... how much money do you think premium companies make that have gov. contracts?To be able to say that a country makes money, you need to get that money from out of your country "new money" how many jobs and economic growth do you think has taken place since 9-11?Not too much growth in the US in the last couples of year!! again not new this was done back in medieval times as well...

preemptive measures of pre-self defense is not really a new policy. we were "helping" Britain, china etc... during WWII. making ships, tanks, guns and "loaning" them to our allies.Now THAT is good money!! in a sense we were already at war with them, at that point. we were sending pilots to Brits, china to fight as well.
so what if we tax Canada?Yeah what the hell it's you payin that tax anyway by buying product made out of our lumber.your not part of the US.I know that too! you might be a friend of us, but we have to put up with the BS being you neighbor gives us.What are you talkin about my friend we should just cut the electricity we are sending to the states our oil....and our Lumber.....would like to see that! such as weak immigration policy,I agree on that point. weak border protection, and the never ending harassment that Canadian citizens give American tourists.LMAO Never been witness of that.....Hellfighter have you said once you were working in tourism or something?...if so have you ever been witness of that! I would'nt think so cause we know american tourist spend a lot of money here ....they like hunting up north, fishing discovering new country.

what we need to do is STOP IMPORTING CONSUMER GOODS!Like CUBA... viva Fidel!! (not all) but American companies that downsize and open foreign manufacturing or open foreign businesses that take away jobs should be penalized 10x current tariffs and taxes. bringing jobs back to America.That's like dreaming about peace in the world. Seriously do you think you can be competitive against china like that?We have that problem here in Quebec with unions present at 40% in the work force,protecting non productive workers and putting a sale price, at the end of the line, that is not competitive.

That's the economic relations that Canada have with the US:
Merchandise exports (2005, FOB basis)--$364.8 billion: crude petroleum and products, natural gas, motor vehicles and spare parts, lumber, wood pulp and newsprint, crude and fabricated metals, wheat. In 2005, 85% of Canadian exports went to the United States.
Merchandise imports (2005, FOB basis)--$317.7 billion: motor vehicles and parts, industrial machinery, crude petroleum, chemicals, agricultural machinery. In 2005, 59% of Canadian imports came from the United States.

[Hellfighter]

....
its all perception on the side of the war. hezbollah does ALLOT for the citizens, hospitals, finance, food, loans etc... as a matter of fact they are going to rebuild at NO COST TO THE POPULATION! that's bold, but they get the money from Iran which dictates they destroy Israel. to help the populous they have to fight.

lesson don't bite the hand that feeds you!

Yes, but then hebooblas seem intent on provoking reactions that end up getting citizens, hospitals, vital bridges blown up not to mention smashing the local economy... and that's a hefty cost to the population. Furthermore speaking with my many Lebanese friends who grew up knowing nothing but war for 3 decades as a general populace, they aren't in the mood for fighting/getting caught in the crossfire- let alone seeking help to fight. Hezbooblas manipulate their minority [but significant] fold of supporters through those 'programs' you mentioned but I'm sure the majority of Lebanese would prefer to see them gone, although admittedly they seem to be grimly satisfied at times when hezbooblas prove to be a tough nut to crack going against the formidable IDF, fighting conventional or not.

[Hellfighter]

....and the never ending harassment that Canadian citizens give American tourists.

....

never ending what???!!!
Now that's just phoney baloney Mr.Silver lol.... I work in the tourism industry and on the ground level, so I don't have a head-in-the-clouds opinion on this.... I know in Quebec, American tourists come here year after year.... not just once in a lifetime; because they love it here and the people that greet them... even after that crappy episode with the booing the american anthem a few years back at the Habs game. You must be equating anti-bush sentiment with anti-american which is very unfair, seeing as how in the States 60% of Americans think bush's policies are crap. The Democrats aren't to savvy either, but let's see who gets the vote of confidence in this Fall.

]you might be a friend of us, but we have to put up with the BS being you neighbor gives us.

Vice versa too chum, lol... in fact don't feel picked on, just about every nation in the world thinks their neighbouring country gives them a hard time to varying degrees!


ps.I screwed up double posting... is there actually a tool in editing that lets you delete a post... like in nearly all other forums!


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 08/20/06 11:51am