Barb balance??? Options

[Nothing]

MOD,

I think your wrong. You can use any tank at any part of the map just about to cover or hit any base. I even was firing on G3 with a popcorn tank yesterday. I was in with Rommel tesing the map and discovered we could do it. The bottom line is does your teammates have the time to study where and how the tanks and paks fire goes.

I am positive I can use the P3 or P4 from German spawn to open any base and fire on any base of the Russians. The thing is to study it and figure it out.

The key to the Germans I believe is still the rush to their 1 and heavy hitting their 3 from there. The german tanks are just about unstoppable for the Russians with that tactic. Once you take out the Russian heavy near the minefield, its a field day for the Germans.

In my opinion, its all tactics and who is on what team. The extra paks that the Russians can use only evens out the Tank advantage that the Germans have.

[MyWifesMule]

Blinky, I don't know what ss means but did notice no one on the russian team has and deaths.

This post has been edited by MyWifesMule: 10/31/06 12:34pm

[Nothing]

OMG Germans have no points/kills and Russians have no deaths. Amazing for that many in the map. Unless most of them came in late.

[Blinky]

Blinky, I don't know what ss means but did notice no one on the russian team has and deaths.

ss = screenshot

[Lord Lipton]

no, only hatchet came in somewhat late if i can rememeber correctly. it was quite a first round.

[Nothing]

no, only hatchet came in somewhat late if i can rememeber correctly. it was quite a first round.

I dont see your name there lip, were u playing on a different name?

[Lord Lipton]

i was second to my buddy m1 pollux. i think its the L 1 p >> ton ! name. i'm not sure if BsS is in there or if that was when the tags were banned.

[Assault trooperPolska]

I agree that the ruskies seem to have advantage, first the paks r ripping our bunkers apart, and second more experienced players usualy choose russian side, I constantly have to explode in my seat becuase some noobie shootis a russian B2 with mg34, apparently not knowing the fact that bunkers are bullet resistant...

If one of the russian paks was moved it would make it better, and the russians have 4 paks capable of long range fire, and germans only 2, because the pak by G2 dosen't really count because it is positioned to defend G2 from the left flank, not facing enemy bunkers...
...........then again, if you look into history, the germans were way outnumbered in men, tanks, airplanes artillery, etc. but they won becauyse their soldiers were better and their equipment was too... so I guess it can be said that th map is "Historically" accurate and we simply need the better players to choose the german side to challange themselves, with had fought victories. But the russian pak is a 45mm one, and german pak40 is a 75mm gun, so the shots should have significantly diffrent damage... unless the sign that say >press "f" to use pak 45mm< is incorrect...
but in the end if 5 experienced players were on german side against 15 noobies on russian side, the crack troops would ultimitly win... people just have to try to play on both teams more... not just russian all the tiem, i paly russian and german maybe not equally but like 75% G and 25% R...

and like I said before, on the G team there lost of people that play Barr for first time... on sunday I saw some dude run past G3 toug it was planted and people were screaming to get it defused, he ran past it liek a madman... the experioanced palyers should before choosing a team look at the playrs list, and see, which team looks like there are lost of new noobie players, and join that team to give a even chanse... sure its annoying when you have people running around not knowing what are they sopposed to do... another example, soe dude got in my jeep and said >To russian 3, we need to blow it up< and I was like, well duh! It's the only remaining enemy bunker, which other we gonna blow up?! well better shut up now, cause like meowman called it, I ned to save my shenanigance for the weekend...

[Hellfighter]

Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in 3 jeeps who know how to rush the toughest base first and we know 99.9% we'll win in 8 minutes against a team on non-vets double our size on the other side.... well ok- we would need 2 defenders at our own toughest base-just in case. I agree with Nothing- it depends who's on the team- you can have nooblets that wreck the whole scheme by blowing the easiest base 1st. In my opinion.

... and vets of 8 minute wins know this is done without long range arty opening up enemy bases too, or covering planted ones.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/31/06 6:45pm

[Pancakes]

Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in 3 jeeps who know how to rush the toughest base first and we know 99.9% we'll win in 8 minutes against a team on non-vets double our size on the other side.... well ok- we would need 2 defenders at our own toughest base-just in case. I agree with Nothing- it depends who's on the team- you can have nooblets that wreck the whole scheme by blowing the easiest base 1st. In my opinion.

... and vets of 8 minute wins know this is done without long range arty opening up enemy bases too, or covering planted ones.

But there is a problem there , you're taking a break from CoD so no playing for you . So since you're not on a team, your whole plan falls apart. This has been the half-baked logic of [MOB}[Regs]Pancakes

[Assault trooperPolska]

Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in 3 jeeps who know how to rush the toughest base first and we know 99.9% we'll win in 8 minutes against a team on non-vets double our size on the other side.... well ok- we would need 2 defenders at our own toughest base-just in case. I agree with Nothing- it depends who's on the team- you can have nooblets that wreck the whole scheme by blowing the easiest base 1st. In my opinion.

... and vets of 8 minute wins know this is done without long range arty opening up enemy bases too, or covering planted ones.

Heh, the trick is to not get caught by the initial enemy aurmored and infantry attack, so the tactic i use, is to hide the jeep in the barn, by russian mid-pak, wait for jeeps and some tanks to pass by and the step on it to R3... and from there all bunkers r yours for the picking... this works 50% of the time, however often fails because the heavy kv1 r slow, and soemtimes I get impatient and go even tought I know I oughta wait a bit longer...

[Pancakes]

Put me on a team -rusky or jerries-with 3 guys in 3 jeeps who know how to rush the toughest base first and we know 99.9% we'll win in 8 minutes against a team on non-vets double our size on the other side.... well ok- we would need 2 defenders at our own toughest base-just in case. I agree with Nothing- it depends who's on the team- you can have nooblets that wreck the whole scheme by blowing the easiest base 1st. In my opinion.

... and vets of 8 minute wins know this is done without long range arty opening up enemy bases too, or covering planted ones.

Heh, the trick is to not get caught by the initial enemy aurmored and infantry attack, so the tactic i use, is to hide the jeep in the barn, by russian mid-pak, wait for jeeps and some tanks to pass by and the step on it to R3... and from there all bunkers r yours for the picking... this works 50% of the time, however often fails because the heavy kv1 r slow, and soemtimes I get impatient and go even tought I know I oughta wait a bit longer...

Thanks, I'll remember that



Another thing you can do is secure the center pak and wait for a minute or two. This will normally give you 1-2 kills if you get the jump and then you can go get your jeep and attack the bunkers.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

MOD,

I think your wrong. You can use any tank at any part of the map just about to cover or hit any base. I even was firing on G3 with a popcorn tank yesterday. I was in with Rommel tesing the map and discovered we could do it. The bottom line is does your teammates have the time to study where and how the tanks and paks fire goes.

I am positive I can use the P3 or P4 from German spawn to open any base and fire on any base of the Russians. The thing is to study it and figure it out.

The key to the Germans I believe is still the rush to their 1 and heavy hitting their 3 from there. The german tanks are just about unstoppable for the Russians with that tactic. Once you take out the Russian heavy near the minefield, its a field day for the Germans.

In my opinion, its all tactics and who is on what team. The extra paks that the Russians can use only evens out the Tank advantage that the Germans have.

With all due respect Nothing, you are perhaps the ultimate "Russian only" player, so your opinions on this seem more based on theory than practice. I play a lot for both sides, and if you put two experienced players on Russian and two on German, then Russians have the advantage, plain and simple. Germans can take the hill at R1, but they are open to be attacked too, and the beauty for Russian is that while you can back them into a corner, at least their best base is in the same corner with a pak behind it. And while it's true Germans have some pak shots, they can all be neutrilized by Russian paks shots in an instant which is what happenes when they have any expeirienced player, unlike Russian paks which are safe from pak shots...at least, the ones used to cover base plants, their two middle paks.



But you know, the original question was IS THERE ANY STATS?


Finally, look at this screen shot from last night. A few MOBS on German, and we totally dominated Russian...BUT we could not plant 3 successfully over 2 games. Switch those teams around, and Russian would have beat German in 10 minutes flat.

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 10/31/06 10:03pm

[Rommel]

MOD,

I think your wrong. You can use any tank at any part of the map just about to cover or hit any base. I even was firing on G3 with a popcorn tank yesterday. I was in with Rommel tesing the map and discovered we could do it. The bottom line is does your teammates have the time to study where and how the tanks and paks fire goes.

I am positive I can use the P3 or P4 from German spawn to open any base and fire on any base of the Russians. The thing is to study it and figure it out.

The key to the Germans I believe is still the rush to their 1 and heavy hitting their 3 from there. The german tanks are just about unstoppable for the Russians with that tactic. Once you take out the Russian heavy near the minefield, its a field day for the Germans.

In my opinion, its all tactics and who is on what team. The extra paks that the Russians can use only evens out the Tank advantage that the Germans have.

With all due respect Nothing, you are perhaps the ultimate "Russian only" player, so your opinions on this seem more based on theory than practice. I play a lot for both sides, and if you put two experienced players on Russian and two on German, then Russians have the advantage, plain and simple. Germans can take the hill at R1, but they are open to be attacked too, and the beauty for Russian is that while you can back them into a corner, at least their best base is in the same corner with a pak behind it. And while it's true Germans have some pak shots, they can all be neutrilized by Russian paks shots in an instant which is what happenes when they have any expeirienced player, unlike Russian paks which are safe from pak shots...at least, the ones used to cover base plants, their two middle paks.



But you know, the original question was IS THERE ANY STATS?


Finally, look at this screen shot from last night. A few MOBS on German, and we totally dominated Russian...BUT we could not plant 3 successfully over 2 games. Switch those teams around, and Russian would have beat German in 10 minutes flat.

I',m not sure, i think Ron will kick your ass when he protect G-2. Your team should taken R-3 without problem. The germ team was strong.

[The-Blind-Norwegian]

[quote name='M@ster of Dis@ster' date='10/31/06 10:01pm' post='129629'] [quote name='Nothing' post='129578' date='10/31/06 1:29pm'] MOD,

Finally, look at this screen shot from last night. A few MOBS on German, and we totally dominated Russian...BUT we could not plant 3 successfully over 2 games. Switch those teams around, and Russian would have beat German in 10 minutes flat. [/quote]



Well, we didn't get them(all 3 bases) as Russians either....

-->several vets on both teams, and it often ends up in a tie or point win at time limit.