Barb balance??? Options

[Cpt.Canuck]

lol, Nothing have you ever played on the German side?

I've played about half and half - as I normally do auto-assign. My conclusion: It is easier playing Russian, no doubt about it (easier to get all 3 bases popped, easier to defend, easier to mount an attack, easier to rack up kills). But your team's overall success will depend a lot on the distribution of vets/noobs.


Things were better when the paks were less effective/influential - I hate those damn things! (have I mentioned that before?)

[Nothing]

Hey MOD,

That screenie you have shows some good players on Russian also. It will be hard to take R3 with Ron, Bertie and others that I see on that list. You are just proving my point with that screenie. If there is talent on German, they have just as easy a chance to win as Russian.

Also, I have too played both sides of the fence. Yes, I play 90% of the time on Russian cause I like that team. I also have Barbarossa running on my clan's server now as a 24/7 map. I practice on mine as well. Are you telling me that you can not hop in a P3, P4 or stug and can not hit any of the Russian bases? If so, please let me know so I can hop on your team and show you.

I really dislike the mp44 and that is mostly the reason I pick Russian. Even when I play Harbor, I am 90% russian as well. If im German, I always try to pick off a Russian with a PPsh so I can steal his gun right away.

As far as counting the middle pak as a Russian pak, I would have to disagree. Most of the time im on it I have to always watch for snipers at sandbag hill. You Germans can get to that hill just as fast as Russians can get to the pak. You have cover, were sitting ducks! That pak can easily be defused. Therefore we would have one pak that can hit G3 only. If you defuse middle pak, the paks are about even.

[majorhavoc]

I',m not sure, i think Ron will kick your ass when he protect G-2. Your team should taken R-3 without problem. The germ team was strong.

Problem with that series of games (I came in at the very end of round 1 of 2) is that the Germans stubbornly opened R1 and R2 too early. It's nearly impossible for the Germans, facing a veteran Russian team, to blow up R3 if all Russians are spawning within a nade's throw of R3.

Even with a pak firing down on R3 we managed to repel a dozen or so coordinated attacks and a couple of plants.

Granted, we, as Russians, didn't get anywhere (I set G3 a couple of times but had it defused), but we didn't "lose" either. Frustrating, I'm sure, for both sides.

I will never understand why, in round 2, when almost everyone already has their 40 points for arty, Germans open one or both R1 and R2 before R3 is blown...not for the points, right? I mean, the goal of the games is to blow the bases...not score tons of points, right?

[Nothing]

Hey Major,

I completely agree. I get so pissed when someone opens G1 before we blow G2 and G3. I ask so nicely, I even made a bind for it. But some noob always does it anyways. I wish we could kick these guys for 2 mins every time they diss the team like that. It really is along the lines of sabotage in my book.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

Hey MOD,

That screenie you have shows some good players on Russian also. It will be hard to take R3 with Ron, Bertie and others that I see on that list. You are just proving my point with that screenie. If there is talent on German, they have just as easy a chance to win as Russian.

Also, I have too played both sides of the fence. Yes, I play 90% of the time on Russian cause I like that team. I also have Barbarossa running on my clan's server now as a 24/7 map. I practice on mine as well. Are you telling me that you can not hop in a P3, P4 or stug and can not hit any of the Russian bases? If so, please let me know so I can hop on your team and show you.

I really dislike the mp44 and that is mostly the reason I pick Russian. Even when I play Harbor, I am 90% russian as well. If im German, I always try to pick off a Russian with a PPsh so I can steal his gun right away.

As far as counting the middle pak as a Russian pak, I would have to disagree. Most of the time I'm on it I have to always watch for snipers at sandbag hill. You Germans can get to that hill just as fast as Russians can get to the pak. You have cover, were sitting ducks! That pak can easily be defused. Therefore we would have one pak that can hit G3 only. If you defuse middle pak, the paks are about even.

They had some good guys, but I know they'd agree, we had them dominated that game. Our n00bs were better than theirs. We had them pushed back in 3 all game. Got in and planted 3 a few times. But with so many within gernades throw away, it didn't matter we had them on their heels for the entire time. They could still hang on.



BTW, that is why R1 and R2 get popped early. When German dominates, it allows even the most inexperienced n00bs to waddle on up to R2 in a tank and blow it. Perversely, a more even game would have meant the n00bs might not have been able to blow R2 so early. Often in a game where one side dominates that G1 or R2 gets blown fairly early by the dominating side.



Anyway Nothing, play German for a week, then tell me it's even.

Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm getting used to the fact the minor bases get planted. It bugs me sometimes, but I remember the first time I planted a base in Barb I was all excited. Don't remember what it was, but I'm guessing it was probably something easy like R2.

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 11/01/06 2:28pm

[Angus Thermopyle]

Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm getting used to the fact the minor bases get planted. It bugs me sometimes, but I remember the first time I planted a base in Barb I was all excited. Don't remember what it was, but I'm guessing it was probably something easy like R2.

Wow. That resonated with me. I'll take it down a notch when someone blows R2 or G1 early.

[majorhavoc]

Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm getting used to the fact the minor bases get planted. It bugs me sometimes, but I remember the first time I planted a base in Barb I was all excited. Don't remember what it was, but I'm guessing it was probably something easy like R2.

Wow. That resonated with me. I'll take it down a notch when someone blows R2 or G1 early.

I agree, but noobs can at least listen to pleas of "please stop hitting R2"...

[Angus Thermopyle]

Finally, we were all n00bs once, so I'm getting used to the fact the minor bases get planted. It bugs me sometimes, but I remember the first time I planted a base in Barb I was all excited. Don't remember what it was, but I'm guessing it was probably something easy like R2.

Wow. That resonated with me. I'll take it down a notch when someone blows R2 or G1 early.

I agree, but noobs can at least listen to pleas of "please stop hitting R2"...

Your point is valid. The problem is some care and some don't. Those that care usually ask why (which is good) and then you have to spend a minute explaining it. Maybe I should bind a key to give an explanation as to why. A minute isn't that long but in the time I spend explaining, I could be in a jeep and at an opposing base. I always try to explain to someone who asks why, and those that ignore the explanation or tell you to f off, I won't pick up in a jeep and basically ignore.

[Nothing]

You would have to have a couple binds together. One bind is not enough, it will cut off the rest of the message. Trust me, I have a bind already that I use for this.

[Canadian Viper]

I have to agree that the paks on the russin side rule, so you learn to work around it. The german tank can hit the russin r3 from g2, and I think r1 from g4 also. This is also good for defending g2. I think a lot has to do with good team work, players planning, some defending, some attacking, knowing that a stolen opponent's tank limits his attack. Good comunication, knowing where the opponents are is a big help. Why not, if it's possible, have a test game of regular serious players, and see what happens. Notice I left out good players, that way I can play...... . It would be nice to see if there are stats.

Well that probaly more then I have ever wrote.

[Hellfighter]

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I agree, but noobs can at least listen to pleas of "please stop hitting R2"...

They listen, but apparently they think that means someone, somewhere, is beating up R2-D2.

Another irksome thing is seeing a whole bunch of German tanks on R2 hill point blank blasting R2 when they have an early opportunity to obliterate R3 from that vantage point. Actually same thing with Germ tanks point blank pounding R1 instead of long rane thumping R3.

Noobs can be begged but they'll only listen 1 outta 100 times. It's up to the vets to shape the fast victory.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 11/10/06 9:39am

[Spectre]

Lately the mob guys have started to switch to german for a change of pace. We have beaten opposition the same. Snipe the guys off the paks! thats all you have to do. Yes the back one is a challenge but a good spot can defend it. If you get in russian spawn and take both kv1 u got it made. The germans have a better field for sniping. The russians dont have it so good in that view. Yes the ppsh is kinda over powering but dont spray and pray with ur mg. go prone and aim down the sight. i hardley ever aim down the sight with the ppsh b/c most likely they will spray and pray also and there is no need b/c the ppsh will win that 9 out of 10 times. I say it makes it fun to have a challenge like that. The germans have alot more tanks than the russians. I agree the pak shots are made to over power the tanks.

[Lord Lipton]

if your quick you can beat the ppsh sprayers (which in my opinion is 98% of all vets who play barb..) 10 outta 10 times. even with a rifle you can. after spending so much time with a rifle for TWL etc when i go into a server like barb it makes it so much easier to pick off sprayers from a distance where they are not effective.



don't go running at a russian with a kar98.



let him come to you. spraying is not an advantage.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

You should aim down the barrel with a PPSH. It puts your spray in a much tighter area, and usually works.



I beat most rifle guys. Of course, I get picked from distance some. But up close it is almost always a win for PPSH, and when at distance I try and sneak up before I start shooting, or dance my way closer, which works a lot.



Rifles are for people who want to work the mid-field and don't use tanks. PPSH's are for base planters, and those who use tanks who often end up in short range battles when they bail. Also for defenders who use tanks but bail to fight players who enter your base.



So what gun is effective for you depends on your style. But in Barb, with all the tanks, working the md-field with a rifle is still dangerous. I can't think of any regular whose main gun is a bolt-action rifle with a 2.00+ kill ratio. I might be wrong on that. Anyone?



But aimming down a barrel with the PPSH works. Check my stats. PPSH is by far my #1 weapon.

This post has been edited by M@ster of Dis@ster: 11/10/06 11:27am

[Lord Lipton]

You should aim down the barrel with a PPSH. It puts your spray in a much tighter area, and usually works.



I beat most rifle guys. Of course, I get picked from distance some. But up close it is almost always a win for PPSH, and when at distance I try and sneak up before I start shooting, or dance my way closer, which works a lot.



Rifles are for people who want to work the mid-field and don't use tanks. PPSH's are for base planters, and those who use tanks who often end up in short range battles when they bail. Also for defenders who use tanks but bail to fight players who enter your base.



So what gun is effective for you depends on your style. But in Barb, with all the tanks, working the md-field with a rifle is still dangerous. I can't think of any regular whose main gun is a bolt-action rifle with a 2.00+ kill ratio. I might be wrong on that. Anyone?



But aimming down a barrel with the PPSH works. Check my stats. PPSH is by far my #1 weapon.

well put mr. MoD! all that is exactly right!

i personally love trying to plant bases WITH a rifle though. or maybe a bazooka and pulling out a pistol after they get shell-shock...of course that only works with one guy so if multiple guys run down your screwed haha.



my favorite though, is sniping mom #2 off of the far russian spawn pak so she can't hit G3.

This post has been edited by Lord Lipton: 11/10/06 11:30am