The Real America, Bill of Rights Options

[PFC Mustangman]

This is what the U.S.goverment doesn't want you to see!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_K7na5CAhE

[Hellfighter]

This is what the U.S.goverment doesn't want you to see!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_K7na5CAhE

lol- hey mustang - good to see another 'sentinel' lingering about in the main area.

[UNDEAD 1]

im amazed at the amount of personal videos and documentarys ive seen on a police state and 9/11 conspiracy. i work in the flight path of the fort lauderdale airport and see the planes coming in every 5 minutes.one thing that has stuck with me after watching a doc on 9/11 was the fact there were no visible markings on either planes that hit the trade centers.i am no profesional but no matter how high ,cloudy ,angle or speed i can see the markings AND WINDOWS on every plane at the height sometimes higher than a large building -including united airlines,which i find to be very easy to identify. when i watch the 9/11 clips ,i see no windows,no paint and that bugs me on a daily basis .



also the "lets roll plane" (flight 93?) was detained in cincinnati on a bomb threat at the precise time it crashed .it was suposedly directed into a hanger -this was reported by their local newspaper the same day .



and of course theres no doubt (ill say) a large plane couldve hit the pentagon.



wondering what thoughts are out there concerning these theories.

[Hellfighter]

Unless I see proof that the clip showing Bum Laden talking with his goons in Afghanistan about the 'success' of 9/11 attacks being fake and part of a conspiracy, I don't give much credence to the idea that a vast conspiracy was in play to take down the US landmarks. It's proof enough the plane that ploughed into field short of its intended target was not a 'guided missile'. Then there are the captured al quaeda members substantiating their knowledge of the attacks. And if there was a conspiracy, why would documents -the ones largely ignored by Bush and cronies- about planes flying into buildings be revealed ahead of the attacks -wouldn't that potentially raise security [or should have] to levels to prevent those attacks from being carried out? People say "no attacks since 9/11"- but there are so many realistic opportunities for 'low level' plots to succeed. The attempted airline 'shoe-bomber' of a few years ago could just have easily let off his bomb on American soil in the airport terminal. Regarding explosions heard going off in the towers before they fell -how come the janitors and maintenance would not have noticed any powerful explosives placed in the building or strange heightened activity in the skeleton of the towers. I think all the other tragic government level foul-ups -fighter pilot alerts/post attack health warnings are the typical blundering of a poorly led government. Remember during the Pearl Harbour attacks, General MacArthur unbelievably sat around in a numbed state for hours before waking himself up to give reaction orders.

[UNDEAD 1]

THEY DID,there are hundreds of claims by police ,firefighters ,maintenance and security, who claim there was a masive explosion prior to the crash and many explosions during collapse.just saying there are alot of questions in my book,i never noticed the planes before watching that.

[PFC Mustangman]

I like hanging out at all forums as its just like hanging out at DQ when i was a teen which was a long time ago. One thing we need to know is that the Neo-Cons like to do it in your face and then say "What you going you do about it?"There is some who are fighting back.On this Documentary"Loose Change Final Cut" might answer some questions you might have.Whats so interesting is that George Bush"s brother was in charge of security in these complexes.They took out all of the bomb sniffing dog out of the towers weeks before the attack.This was to plant explosives to each floor.Watch it and decide for yourself.

www.video.google.com/videosearch?q=loose+change+final+cut&sitesearch=

Also check out:

www.infowars.com

Go to Sections and then click on September 11 for more articles.Thanks

Yea one more thing why didn't jet fighters scramble when these planes went out of their flight pattern?

[Hellfighter]

THEY DID,there are hundreds of claims by police ,firefighters ,maintenance and security, who claim there was a masive explosion prior to the crash and many explosions during collapse.just saying there are alot of questions in my book,i never noticed the planes before watching that.

LOl -nope undead you misread my point - I said janitors not noticing exploSIVES . As I mentioned earlier in the thread -yes people were hearing exploSIONS - I acknowledge that as a fact. My point is were they explosions OR what sounded like explostions.
I think one test regarding the planes would be to make a video of similar planes at the same fly-in height [lol-you're the expert on aircraft terminology sorry if I sound silly] and see if plane markings show up on a video as opposed to by eyesight..

[Hellfighter]

I'm currently going thru the clip mustang while I work here at home -very intersting [ 1 hour so far ].... I think undead's opinions will be valuable on this too.
reporting back in a bit.....

[Hellfighter]

ok dokey - I just got through it.
Very revealing in 3 parts for me;
1] The blast hole behind the Pentagon
2] No widely scattered large plane debris in the fields and forest.
3] That tower 7 [? -I forget] showing it still standing behind the journalist after it was reported fallen- and then the segment breaks off!!!!

Questions raised, but we need to know who and whys with more clarity- it's a worthy start though, in particular the building collapses going down so smoothly all over the place -not even near the hit wtc, and explosions going off in the elevators inexplicably.

Still, how does bum Laden fit in.... especially after that clip I mentioned with him acknowledging claim for the attack. Are his clips staged like some Apollo moon landing -capricorn 9- thing?

But I see how noone genrally wants to believe a discovered horrid truth. Last night I watched a documentary on the disappearances of thousands of civilians in Argentina in the 1970s 'the disappearances' was the term. The junta government was scooping up these people [made out to be 'agitators' / and supporters] on false pretenses and killing and torturing many of them without giving any account of them to worried family members who eventually and bravely openly protested the unknown horrors- Eventually the junta was ousted and investigations revealed what was really going on. However the demonstrators are mostly stunned that their are still Argentinians who refuse to believe that horror ever happened.

[PFC Mustangman]

Terrorist trial in Australia laywer says 9/11 not bin laden.

www.infowars.com/?p=496

[Robert]

An entertaining example of the 9/11 conspiracy buffs wet dream
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=af07

Or another way to look at the revisionist history and implications attempted to be passed off as fact.
Loose change is now on it's 3rd version of their 9/11 conspiracy movie.
Why the 3rd version?
Because they have to come up with new biased conclusions/assumptions after their old ones are debunked.
90% of the myths surrounding the 9/11 conspiracies have been debunked point by point on the freaking history channel and popular mechanics.
So I guess than now means the history channel and Popular mechanics is now part of the conspiracy/coverup.

I've got no problem with anyone questioning the government, I consider it a civic virtue to have a healthy skepticism.
The problem is the 9/11 conspiracy buffs go way beyond simple healthy skepticism.
They typically take it to the point where it's impossible to have an intelligent conversation regarding what happened.
The sad part is, in my opinion it demeans everyone who died that day.

For anyone interested, here is a previous 18 page discussion about 9/11
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...24&hl=osama

[Shred]

Did anybody see that article a couple of months ago where one of the agencies had their wiretaps shut off while monitoring terrorists.

It turned out that they hadn't paid the phone bill.

[Hellfighter]

Terrorist trial in Australia laywer says 9/11 not bin laden.

www.infowars.com/?p=496

I think logic needs to prevail regarding Al quaeda and Bum Laden - he clearly hated the West post Gulf War days and post Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan. He clearly attacked women and children in his bombing attacks in Africa and in arab lands, and in Spain - he never denied those attacks. And with all those al jazeera run tapes of Al Quaeda with all the threats he makes its obvious he has no qualms in destroying any human life. Look at the suicide bombers from a few weeks ago -mentally handicapped women were used. My Iraqi friends will tell you al quadea has no problems killing anyone just to make their point, He never stopped Talibums under his control pre2002 from ravaging Afghan villages and slaughtering their occupants in the worse ways you can imagine -there was a reason Afghanistan had one of the worst refugee crisis's in the world at that time.

haha- Yes Shred I actually mentioned that wiretap shut-off thing a month ago in a thread that someone started about that - methinks that was Undead's thread too if I remember correctly.

Regarding 9/11 conspiracies - I couldn't go that far to say someone besides bum Laden committed the attack / he admitted it and hasn't steadfastly claimed not being responsible for it -besides which I wouldn't take a psycho at his word if his first claim of denying doing it is to be believed - Primarily I'd need to see a reason for such conspiracies have been validated. Obviously some questions need answering, and when the government isn't forthright in yielding information -delaying its release and even shielding / erasing crucial information, that is recklessly cruel to the victims' families who grievingly want to know 'why' their love ones suffered on and after 9/11.

Other than that, I found the instances mentioned in my prior post very peculiar.


Robert- can you turn on the edit/modify posts feature if its been turned off - I'm suffering here making sure I type things out properly 1st time around.

[Hellfighter]

lol- I recall going thru that thread Druid - it seems like Silver must've been punching holes in his wall those days.
I don't go for demolitions in buildings mainly because of what I claimed earlier regarding janitors should notice things like the pic you posted in Post#138 of that old thread - but that BBC thing I mentioned earlier regarding wtc7 was mighty odd. mighty odd. Some coverup is going on for some reason but conspiracy claiming is perhaps bold until someone in the vast network of the x-files conspiracy speaks up.

[UNDEAD 1]

im not a conspiracy junkie at all and i have no need to visit the thousands of conspiracy sites out there ,i have read our previous post as well .i simply have questions on certain things that happend that day and i believe credibal eye witness reports such as police and firemen.i actually hope im WRONG .



pentagon- no pieces of the plane were found.in the worst crashes they are able to recover the engines at least but they found nothing. i have a relative who worked in that exact wing of the pentagon and he changed jobs a while before 9/11.he was actually stuck in traffic close by and saw the smoke the day of.he claims there are quite a bit of questions as to what hit that building.the pics ive seen do not look like a plane hit it.



flight 93- i have always had questions about. on 9/11 when i saw the impact crater i said to myself if i were president i wouldve ordered it shot down.theres so many questions on this flight now ,i dont even know where to begin.

building 7- when i saw it fall ,no one had to tell me it looked like a demo job,infact all the buildings fell pretty much the same way.

excuse my spelling,my spell check has never worked on these forums.