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[Hellfighter]

im not a conspiracy junkie at all

I agree with you about all the unexplained peculiar oddities> crash site impact areas too especially.....
Did you see this part in Mustang's above clip; at 1 hour 46 minute mark -that really raies eyebrows regarding unnatural .......

[Robert]

I haven't looked at the clip you mentioned. Even without doing so I can partially address your question.

The Crash site didn't look right
A perfect example of the countless "questions" that people come up with to perpetuate the conspiracy myths

1) Why doesn't the crash look like other crash sites
2) The crash site doesn't look right
The unspoken implication is that this this question somehow equates to fact that there is something wrong.
Want to know why the crash site doesn't look like other ones they compare it to?
It's pretty simple when you think about it form an open an unbiased perspective.
The truth, the crash site should look different form other comparable sites.
None of the crash sites they compare it to involve a plane which was purposefully crashed.
The reality is, it would be suspect if the crash site looked like other ones because the CAUSE of the crash would effect what the crash site looked like.
One is where a person purposefully crashed the plane ( or so we suspect )
All the other crash sites shown are from examples of either pilot or mechanical failure where the pilot was undoubted was doing everything possible to save the plane prior to the crash.
It's would be like comparing two car crashes.
One from a suicide, where the person drove straight into a bridge column at 80 mph
Then trying to compare it to someone who fell asleep at the wheel , waking up at the last second, slamming their brakes an swerving in a failed attempt to miss the bridge column.
From that perspective, the crash sites should look different, don't you think?

Another one which always drove me nuts was the complaint about how the hole looked in the pentagon.
Depending on the picture, there were complaints about how the hole was to small.
It was a small, almost perfectly round hole.
What people didn't realize is on the picture must often brought up is not a picture of the outside "E " ring wall. It's actually a picture of the 2nd inside "C" Ring wall.
Which explains why the hole was so small, certainly not any kind of proof of anything wrong
People also need to keep in mind, this was not a simple office building we are talking about.
It's a military complex, specifically built to withstand possible bombing attacks.
It was built closer to a hardened military bunker than office complex people try and compare it to.

Mustang asked the question about why jets didn't scramble when the planes went off course.
1) Prior to 9/11 neither Norad or the N.A. Air command tracked domestic flights. Their sole focus was the 1000's of daily incoming intercontinental flights. Because of this, Norad and the N.A. Air command were unaware of what was happening until they were notified by the FAA.
When they WERE 1st notified, no one new what was going on, it was reported as a "Possible"
hijacking.
2) Prior to 9-11 only the President or the Canadian Prime minister could authorize a downing of a commercial flight
3) Prior to 9/11 the protocol for handling a hijacked commercial flight involved 3 things.
* 2 jets would be scrambled
* trail the hijacked plane at a distance of five miles to remain out of sight, while awaiting further orders
* Then after receiving orders, either establish visual contact and/or maneuver to force the plan to land.
You would probably be surprised to learn at the time this happened, fighters jets flying above the U.S. where not allowed to go supersonic without prior authorization. The two jets which initially responded couldn't even go supersonic to close in as quickly as possible.
Even if they did it wouldn't have mattered because their standard "ready to scramble" alert status since 1998 was for bombing missions. The closest jets ordered to NY were unarmed, making practice bombing runs.

A few sites full of information contradictory to 9/11 myths
http://www.debunk911myths.org/
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology...842.html?page=1
http://www.debunking911.com/


The reason I feel so strongly on this is because I think the whole conspiracy/myth argument misses the most important point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnA9FjvLSU

[Blitz]

Powerfull video,

The 9/11 truthers, Infowars crowd, the Michael Moore, Alex Jones people all seem to take 1 small possibility and flip it into a web of conspiracy.
Are there some grains of truth maybe?

I think it's far more likely that the groups like the trilatral commision, the bilderberg group and other groups of powerfull people are getting together to shift tax policy, trade and tarrif policy, and in general influence (buy) votes in order to make themselves more money.
While this is despicable to all, when the conspiracy theorists take these issues and turn them into a secret society of devil worshiping, numerologists that want to create a police state of sheep to do their evil bidding. The rest of the world just looks at the info and thinks well this is all bullshit.

The powerfull people make money because we are FREE to consume products and sevices, it seems to me that the people in power would be far more likely to use their power to crush rivals in buisness so that people will not be able to purchase another product other than their own.

I assume that is why people believe that the government had something to do with 9/11 and that it was not terrorists was because the people in power in the secret society wanted the dominoes to fall the way they have. They wanted the war in afganistan, Iraq so they could make money or that these steps would help in their end game of contolling the world?
Sorry it sounds like bullshit to me.

Do you want the quickest way to solve the problem, vote every incumbent out. Start electing people that represent you at the state, city and county level.

Abolish the 2 party system because most of the sheeple hold thier nose and punch D or R because that party fits most likely with their group politic. If the best candidate is an indepentent that is closest to your ideals it's a shame they can't get afar shake going up against the D & R politica machines. Even if you do elect a candidate from one of the parties that has principles good for your community they will have to tow the party line on votes and issues or they will never be allowed to be on committies, have their legislation come up for a vote, etc... I mean how many "party line votes" do you see.
(Bush Sr was pushed down Regans throat because the Republicans wanted their political man in the whitehouse and Regan had to accept or he would have been blackballed by the party, funny how they all claim to love him now)

Abolish the 17th ammendment. The senators have now become a national poitical machine serving the federal government with more power than they were intended to have. We have more turnover at the state level and they were supposed to be appointing people for the senate, not people elected by the party (I know the people elect them but the parties fill out your options on who to vote for!) The chance of anyone thinking about what their needs as a state were VS the party is slim. (unless you are talking about pork so they can buy votes) Can anyone tell me why people move to a state to become a senator? (see Hillary, Rockefeller, etc) because they just saw that state needed a senator and they decided they could learn all there is to know about the state and help them out.

Create either a Flat tax or a Consumption tax and we could end all of the thousands of lobbyists buying votes for corporations and industries.

Those 3 things would totally derail the new world order crowd (if they exist) completly and shift the balance of power back towards the people. Rather than trying to expose the BIG EVIL, they should put their effort into somethig a little more rational that would have the same impact don't ya think?

[Robert]

And the crowd goes wild as Blitz hits one out of the park.

[Keystone Two-Eight]

I dont get it.....
Your link leads to the Texico District Youth Camp 2007 Friday Night Presentation in Texas for aiding the homeless.Whats so conspiratorial about that? Perhaps the link has been changed.

[Robert]

The topic turned to 9-11 after Mustang's 2nd post here
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...st&p=171676
Which linked to the "New an Improved" version of the 9-11 conspicracy movie called loose change.

[Blitz]

And the crowd goes wild as Blitz hits one out of the park.

I get a few right once in a while.

Keystone 2-8 this thread was long ago hijacked or from the looks of Undeads post I think the video from the starting thread may have changed?

[Hellfighter]

Some nice posts I see since my last entry.... good points too.

The conspiracy thing hasn't made sense to me - its too x-files - can conspirator in such a large /mammoth conspiracy keep quiet about it all this time?

I agree about the plane crash in the fields - when you see the clip of it falling straight to earth then the resulting impact would create a concentrated crash zone area.

And one of the clips posted by Rob, the reasons for 'explosion sounds' can be attributed to other than bombs going off - what convinces me they weren't demo charges [apart from no-one seeing any preps for it going on, is that no-one saw any explosions ->you can imagine the massive number of charges needed to be placed in both WTC to bring them down - you would hear at least scores of explosions to bring down the towers of that height in a straight controlled demolition.
In the clip later showing bum Laden's admission speech in Afghanistan with his goons, he expressed shock [delighted like a monkey] that the towers came down entirely -his apparent goal was the mere crashing into the towers. otherwise you'd think at the speed the planes were flying at [seen in a part of Mustang's clip with firfighter looking up as jet races overhead] they would've aimed for the lower floors of the towers to attempt bringing down the buildings.

[-Snowman-]

O.k. guys.... Lets snuff out all of this 9/11 conspiracy bull, take a look at this Penn & Teller video clip on the subject. Worth the time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

[Shred]

And the crowd goes wild as Blitz hits one out of the park.

Blitz is the shit.



Don't let his head get to big!!

[Hellfighter]

O.k. guys.... Lets snuff out all of this 9/11 conspiracy bull, take a look at this Penn & Teller video clip on the subject. Worth the time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

Well it was funny to watch. Rather than prove anything though, it shows how some of the theorists are true whack jobs....
For instance, the goon saying 9-11 was a prelude in the eventual plan to invade Iraq...The Iraq war had its opportunities to not occur at all - ie, Sadam stepping down as per bold deadline given by the neo-cons. Full access to Inspectors from the start of their entry into Iraq rather than the drawn-out step-by-step process. The Afghanistan campaign was about 9/11. It's pathetic that left wingers and right wingers alike keep up with the bozo statements that the Iraq war was about getting back at sadam for some role he had in the plot -in their minds.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 03/03/08 11:04am

[Blitz]

O.k. guys.... Lets snuff out all of this 9/11 conspiracy bull, take a look at this Penn & Teller video clip on the subject. Worth the time.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I

I forgot completly about that show...
This one was one of my favorites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPAjUvvnIc

[Hellfighter]

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I forgot completly about that show...
This one was one of my favorites

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfPAjUvvnIc

lol that was funny too......... it shows the power of nearly anything/idea can be sold with the right 'marketing'.

I still prefer bottled water though - to me it depends on where you're living ultimately and what your tap water source is. I've heard New York is blessed with excellent tap water [as shown in the clip].... Some places though tap water drinking is a risky business. Most cities you have to let your tap water run for a bit to see clear water running as opposed to various milky shades / rust shades??!! - lol- sorry Penn but I'll stick with well known brand names of bottled water if I'm not living in New York city or somewhere else with a clean water source/ clean pipes, etc.,