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[Druid]

This is continued from elsewhere as a member of the clan requested.
I'm sure whoever needs to will find their way here
Vert I've no clue what bug has been up your ass forever concerning MOB but I'm guessing it goes all the way beck to the days of PKU. Get over it already.

Now to continue on with the discussion.
This all started with the missionary stuff so lets take a closer look.
Ashe's accusation was that RD left the server and restarted CI which then kicked DMG for not using missionary, which according to them was never brought up, even though it was on numerous occasions.
1st everyone has been playing mohaa long enough to know it's a common issue getting disconnected after DV. So much for the accusation RealDeal left the server to switch CI.
2nd CI for over a year has broadcast a message to the server when it's shut down. So much for the accusation RealDeal restarted CI with the purpose of kicking DMG.
If that was the case you would of seen a message from CI about the restart which you didn't now did you?
Next comes the bitch fest about how wrong MOB was to ask the DMG players to use missionary.
I take the time to extend a virtual olive branch on your forum to solve any misunderstandings just to have Vert through it in my face as a waste of time. Very classy.
This is just a short look at what took us to here.

Jump ahead a few months to a post on another clans forum which people I'm sure was going to take as coming from MOB which it wasn't seeing as how I was the only person who knew what it concerned. The only reason I even knew about it was through a DMG player. Who only told me about it because he was mad about getting bitched at because he played on our server and it was somehow against DMG rules. Wow I wonder where that came from. Someone gets bitched at because he played on our server, and you have the nerve to call other people Nazi's???

Next comes an exchange about stupid stuff other people did that pissed Ashe off.
All I did was reply in kind.

Part of which concerned a join effort by some DMG who tried to sweet talk GPF into dropping the MOB tag from his server and using DMG in it's place.
I'm sure their was a couple of reason for this but a large part of it was because they saw it as the ultimate bash on MOB. How incredibly childish for several reasons.
If you want DMG on the server you need to switch the tag, as we don't play on MOB servers Which by the way is their own decision based on stupid reasons they can't even justify.
Part of whats funny about this is we wouldn't of cared either way. A year and a half ago I even suggested that he dropped the MOB name from his server do to issues with some people helping admin his server and the fact he really no longer needed the name as he had already built a popular server on his own. GPF as the stand up guy that he is, took care of the problems in a quick and diplomatic way as possible and has used the tag ever since.
GPF contacts DMG as the nice guy that is to ask DMG to stop by the server.
He's then told some B.S. story about MOB while DMG members try to sweet talk him into changing the name of his server.
Whats really sad about this is, as he mentioned it didn't have anything to do with him or his server so there was really no reason it should stop DMG from playing there. When the attempt to get him to change the server name goes down the drain, GPF who has done nothing wrong to anyone suddenly becomes the asshole because he asked this SIMPLE question. "Why did DMG have a problem using missionary when playing on the MOB server?"
Again very classy.
For me the the funnest part is this.
I think almost everybody agrees it's pretty gay for a clan to recruit people off of another clans server. What he have here is people in DMG taking it to a new high level of gayness by trying not to recruit a player but the WHOLE SERVER. LOL
Vert goes on to say Ashe had nothing to do with it only he, gwg and stupad where involved. Directly this may of been the case but Ashe knew exactly what was going on and gave it his seal of approval.
While on the subject of server #4, where did DMG happen to meet their last few recruits. On the same server they will no longer play on for their own childish reasons.
Good call.

Also along with the whole missionary B.S. came this little tidbit.
Look at all we have done for MOB and they treat us this way by requesting us to use missionary, how dare they after all we have done for them.
All I can say is WOW, make that double WOW.
I didn't realize people felt the need to keep track of stuff like that as a way to justify themselves as far as they have been somehow wronged in their own mind. If thats the case, I would be more than happy to compare scorecards.

Finally comes accusation of reading PM's from the board we operate.
Although RealDeal has gotten the brunt of this, here is how it actually came about and why. Prior to the MOB split, we allowed someone from another clan permission to recruit from our server with the understanding they would contact us 1st in case we might be looking at the same player. Right after the MOB split, we asked them to stop as we where needing to rebuild or own ranks. Unfortunately they didn't, in fact it was turned up a notch. It finally got to the point of telling them they would be banned from the server if it happened again. A few days later a player contacted me to ask if he had any chance of getting into MOB because another clan wanted to recruit him but MOB would be his 1st choice.
It turns out after talking to him that he was contacted via the forum about recruitment. I, in case you missed that I asked RD to go through the database to see how much of this was going on. To our surprise more than it should of been.
The funniest one by the way said something like this.
"We can't talk to people on the server about recruitment so I sent you this message to see if you would be interested"
I thought it was pretty funny anyway.
There was a few other things going to that shouldn't of been and we privately contacted the people and asked them to stop.
I don't see what the big deal is about contacting someone for doing something in the forum that shouldn't be doing and we wouldn't let them do in the server.
A few people have gotten mad and made the accusation that we go through every private message, BTW this nicely bypasses the whole point about them doing something they shouldn't of been doing in the 1st place.
The reason they make this accusation is because they are illiterate to how a database is setup.
Private messages are indexed across multiple tables.
You can't simple read a message, title , who sent it , who received it, message text is all indexed in separate tables. Not to mention the fact messages are not even in chronological order. It's simply this, a search is done with a few keywords ( join, recruit, cheat ).
Oh yea, cheat is in their too. 3 People have been banned do to them talking about cheating on our server. Wow aren't we a bunch of Nazis. LMAO

[={DMG}=VeRTiGo]

I asked if you had proof if Brian had anything to do with the whole us seeing if GPF wanted to go somewhere else. Because he didn't. Not anything whatever you just posted. It's not like you own the server, or have any affiliation with him. So why don't you drop it. I don't care if the mohaa community knows what we did. Why don't you go ask mohtruth to write a story about it.

So out of those 3 people that were speaking of cheats, what did that have to do with anything? were you implying that it was ={DMG}= Members? If it were, I'd like to ask who they were so that we can kick them out of the clan.

The first time I called Real a nazi was when Brian asked for me to be banned from your site. I APPOLOGIZED, and then called Brian the nazi. I didn't even start that shit with SolidRocker, he said he wanted to kill me, so I told him off. Big fucking deal. The second time I thought that we were getting along so I thought I'd call Real a fucker for old times sake, he banned me. I've seen other people call him worse, I've even called him worse to his face. So I called him a nazi for banning me. Actually I think I reffered to him as the gestapo. He took me off the ban list, and I just said that I wouldn't come here anymore. I was fine with that.

I love mob, I just hate some of your members. Shifty is the shit, as is Druid even though you're being a cunt right now. It's just a fucking game. Chill out. Most of the shit I say I say it because I know everyone will blow it way out of proportion and turn into something like this.

As for your olive branch there were only 3 or 4 members of our clan that played in your server, and they knew they had to use missionary. We didn't even say shit about any missionary for months. We thought it was resolved with the 12 page post in our forums, entitled "Missionary". We came to a conclusion. it was dealt with. I was sick of it, I lashed out.

Back in the day when I actually had time to play I had asked several DMG when they happen to be on the server at the same time as me, to to use missionary in the future as I know other MOB members have as well.

I've never played with you. When I would go into your server with other mob members, I'd ask if I had to use miss, if they said yes I'd leave and put it on, if not then I would play as is. I've tried everything to make missionary run faster, I've tried everything Blackbart has said would fix the problem. I still get a 20-30 higher ping. I don't have the best computer in the world, I can't just go out and buy an extra stick of ram or a new mobo and processor.

and in conclusion, I don't have a stick up my ass. I just don't feel like reading an 8 page summary of why you think we give a shit about something that's in the past and done with.

[Silver]

Druid, you made me waste a good hour and a half seaching dmg forums looking for the other part of this. that aint right!!! post a link so we can see the whole thing and who would have knowen it was on tld's site....gee i have no life.
sorry for the intruption back to the arguement.....

[Druid]

To Silver: Doesn't matter where it started, they asked for it to be moved here, so it was.

To Vert:
Just for shits and giggles lets see if you remember from whom and where this came from.

Why do you care so much as to type all of that

As for the rest of your post.
I never said we owned GPF's server so I'm not sure why you even bothered to say that.

For the rest of it. What can I say, I asked for a screenshot and get a text summary. See if any of this seems familiar.

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={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- He asked us if there were any solutions that could be worked out so we could play there again and I think the only way this could be done would be to break off from MOB. THis would be cool since we pay nothing for the server, he does it just cuz he likes to play! It would also be good since there are already tons of regulars on that server so it would boost our forums and webpage tremedously! think about it, free server 64 people, west coast for us CALI DMG, and free advertizing for DMGclan.com!
HAHA, first we take their players now we take their server! DONT FUCK WITH DMG
={DMG}=Vertigo --- I think it'd be cool. Just to shove it in their faces. DMG #4 it would look so good. It always attracts players, I love the server because I poon noobs on it Gretzky style.
={DMG}=ashe --- Get this done
={DMG}=FaRmErBrOwN --- Hey Girl, Ashe has asked me this morning to tell you to go ahead.
={DMG}=Vertigo --- No I think you're lying. Everyone wants to be DMG.
I didn't want him anyway. He's cancer in the making. His server would be nice though.
={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- I emailed gpf and asked him to call me and josh sometime after 8 or something. This is when we will have to try and work him lol! We still have to discuss our plan of attack nah more like final convincing. Hes a like a man that wants to be convinved but still is like i dont know , but then hes like convince me. Ill let you know how it goes.
={DMG}=Girlsw/Guns --- heres whats going on. here is the reply I got from gpf regaurding the server Thank you very kindly for your detailed message, I appreciate it. My first reaction is: you punish yourselves by not coming over to #4 because of what some clan member (RD) says? Who cares what he says? Sticks and stones may break my bones...
That just seems a little unusual to me. It seems like biting your
nose to spite your face,
if you're familiar with that aphorism.

I guess he needs to think about it some more. I dont know he may be too much of a pansy to break away from MOB.
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Then finally he becomes and asshole because he asked a simple question about why you guys made such a big deal about a request to use missionary.

Yep your right , Ashe had nothing to do with it, he only told you to get it done.

Before you even bother to say this doesn't prove anything. I could of made all this up myself. Very true I guess, but whats important is now YOU know that I know.
I don't really care what anyone else might think about this.

BTW back to the claim of how you always liked MOB.
I'm curious to know why getting GPF's server and as you said "Shoving it in their faces" was such a point seeing as how you always liked us??? LMAO

Also explain to me again why you guys are now boycotting a server you use to play in (#4) and even said you liked. I'll tell you, for no good reason other than childish ones.

Lastly... don't whine about me posting this as your the one who asked me to,

[realdeal]

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

[={DMG}=ashe]

Druid, are you serious? Do you really have that much time nowadays? Its a game, if we dont want to play on your server, so be it, let it go. If I want to run my clan one way and you want to run yours another, so be it, let it go. You have more time and energy to devote to a nonsense issue then anyone I have ever seen. The missionary issue was 6 months ago, would you please let it go.

This all started over a TLD member asking me how I felt about Mob. I replied. Thats it. If you dont like me, I really dont care, I will never meet you in the real world anyways, so honest to God I dont care.

We dont play on your servers due to me telling my members not to, that is true. In my opinion either make it mandatory for all people to use Missionary or none, but dont single out certain clan tags. Did you think we hacked so you needed to single us out? It was one of your ex members, Diesel, that told me that we were accused of hacking by some of the regs so in his own words "Realdeal took it upon himself to make it mandatory for DMG to use Missionary". But once again, I dont play there so I dont care.

I never asked GPG anything about the server, once again, I really didnt care. I said and YOU quote "Get this done". That is it. Who wouldnt take a 64 man west coast server for free if offered? Especially when half of my clan is in California. As you can tell by the number of posts I put in about the issue I was really concerned and spent countless hours and emails to GPF to get the server. My email was "I saw you messaged me on my site. How may I help you". Thats it.

[Gridlock]

Druid, are you serious? Do you really have that much time nowadays?  Its a game, if we dont want to play on your server, so be it, let it go. If I want to run my clan one way and you want to run yours another, so be it, let it go. You have more time and energy to devote to a nonsense issue then anyone I have ever seen.  The missionary issue was 6 months ago, would you please let it go.

This all started over a TLD member asking me how I felt about Mob. I replied. Thats it. If you dont like me, I really dont care, I will never meet you in the real world anyways, so  honest to God I dont care.

We dont play on your servers due to me telling my members not to, that is true. In my opinion either make it mandatory for all people to use Missionary or none, but dont single out certain clan tags. Did you think we hacked so you needed to single us out? It was one of your ex members, Diesel, that told me that we were accused of hacking by some of the regs so in his own words "Realdeal took it upon himself to make it mandatory for DMG to use Missionary". But once again, I dont play there so I dont care.

I never asked GPG anything about the server, once again, I really didnt care. I said and YOU quote "Get this done". That is it. Who wouldnt take a 64 man west coast server for free if offered? Especially when half of my clan is in California.  As you can tell by the number of posts I put in about the issue I was really concerned and spent countless hours and emails to GPF to get the server. My email was "I saw you messaged me on my site. How may I help you". Thats it.

[Druid]

People always tend to fall back to either "it's just a game" or "just let it drop" because it's easier than having to say "maybe I was wrong."
Since the whole missionary issue, I hadn't given it or DMG much thought either way.
Which obviously is unlike you considering.
"Whats priceless"
"The whole MOB is mean people so we won't play on their servers and if people do they get bitched at. Do you care what other servers people play on. Nope just MOB's"
"There had to be some discussion concerning MOB going on after the missionary incident, otherwise why would DMG people who where recruited afterwards and never had any contact with MOB be able to relay the bogus reasons given to GPF about why DMG was no longer playing on server #4"

Again the only reason I even bothered to say anything was because the likely conclusion was the post on TLD's forum was from MOB which it wasn't.
You posted your thoughts on MOB and all I did was reply.

It amazes me you keep having to fall back to "this is what diesel said" like a drowning man clutching a life preserver.
I understand you felt like you where wronged somehow so you fall back on whatever you can to justify yourself.
I told you that wasn't the case, RD even posted a copy of what was said on your forum. No one ever said anything about cheating, yet it keeps getting brought up.
The other accusations were.
1) RD let the server to reboot CI to kick you from the server, which has already been dealt with. He didn't leave the server he was disconnected as people commonly are after DV nor was CI rebooted seeing as how there was no message broadcast by CI saying it was shutting down
2) No one ever said anything to us about using missionary. Again complete B.S. as I myself asked you and other DMG players on several occassions.


As for your suggestion of who wouldn't take a 64 man west coast server for free if offered?
It's a very cute way to get around what was actually going on. It's very clear from the post, GPF contacted DMG to invite people by the server or to see why no one was on anymore. What he got was a B.S. story in an attempt to switch the server tags. A large part of the reason was DMG thought it would be some big bash to MOB. Do me a favor and tell me again who can't let things drop? From your forum it would appear to be you guys seeing as how this was 3 months later.
So please don't tell me I'm the one who can't let it go.

BTW your oh so innocent email to GPF saying ""I saw you messaged me on my site. How may I help you".
Would this be before or after the attempt to get him to switch tags failed and he suddenly became and asshole for asking this simple question
"So is DMG pissed because MOB insists on Missionary for Goodfellows?
And DMG is therefore boycotting MOB servers because of this Missionary
requirement?"
I would have to say from looking at the post it would be afterwards.
Not quite so innocent when it's put into context of when it happened.

Why don't you take your own advice and just let it go.

[={DMG}=ashe]

I will point out why you should check your facts before you post.

The other accusations were.
1) RD let the server to reboot CI to kick you from the server, which has already been dealt with. He didn't leave the server he was disconnected as people commonly are after DV nor was CI rebooted seeing as how there was no message broadcast by CI saying it was shutting down
2) No one ever said anything to us about using missionary. Again complete B.S. as I myself asked you and other DMG players on several occassions.

The problem with your first point is that Real openly admitted to shutting down CI and restarting it. He said that DMG was spelled wrong, so when he saw me come in he found the error and restarted CI with the right spelling.

What is wrong with number two is you dont see the point. As I stated over and over and over again, just to try to get it through your thick head, is that I was not upset by having to use Missionary, I was upset by the way I was kicked for not having it after playing on your servers countless times, without it. You might have said "Would you mind using Missionary", I dont remember ever hearing that, but the way Real, without warning, changed the spelling and restarted CI so that I was kicked. He openly admitted this to me. If he would of said, "Hey would you mind using missionary it is now mandatory for all clan members.' I would of said no problem. I dont expect you to comprehend this. It is hard to see anything else when your nose is so close to Reals rectum.

Again the only reason I even bothered to say anything was because the likely conclusion was the post on TLD's forum was from MOB which it wasn't.

Once again, did anyone say anything to you about this? You are the only one that assumed it was Mob member. The thought never crossed my mind. The first thing I thought was it was a TLD member messing around. You assume way to much.

It amazes me you keep having to fall back to "this is what diesel said" like a drowning man clutching a life preserver.

So are you calling him a liar? He was, according to Real, a co leader of the clan. Should I not believe what one of the leaders, that makes most of the decisions, has to say?

As for the sever shit. You, as you always do, only use parts and pieces of a story to your benefit and dont share the entire story. As you posted you saw my response to GPF. Here is the next post regarding this affair.

I did read this and I did send him an email. I simply asked how I may help him. I am not going to beg or even ask about the server, I will let him bring it up. I really dont care either way. Everyone just be cool and remember our Code of Conduct. Lets not start bashing people publicly, be nice on forums etc. Everyone please stick to this. Thanks.

You didnt bother to post this part, did you. Just took the part that your drama queen self thought would get the most stir.

As for Real's brilliant input......

Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.

Probably not as big of a mark as what you left on,

Epacy
Diesel
Opeth
Benny Hinn
Little Old Man
Nixon
Cobra
Panzer
Johnzilla
Deuce
Ateurnus
Mayhem
Aggression
Opression
Pvt. Stone

[.AmbiencE.]

lol are u kidding ashe...expecially about D...if anybody rubbed anyone the wrong way it was him.

[realdeal]

Ashe,



You need to check your own facts. You don't have to look too far either. How about checking your own forums? Take a look at my post on your forums HERE from January 2005


What you state in your reply is not what happened at all.

Again, if that's what Diesel told you, then he was mistaken. The post that generated DMG and Missionary this is still in our private forums. I have posted it before on your forums and will do it again here.

This is from a MOB member (not Druid or I):

"Just curious if they get special treatment on the server? They never use missionary and always post pretty descent scores. Since we enforce missionary for everyone can we get them to use it? I'm not accusing them of anything, just saying that when someone without tags shoots good we want them to use missionary. Why not them? I know some of you are really good friend swith them, just bringing it up."

My post immediately after that was:

"DMG is on the list in CI. The server should disconnect them after about 5 or so minutes if they are not running Missionary. We are talking about the 69.56.164.122 server right?

And my next post:
"Ooops... they weren't on the list. I had their tags listed as DGM instead of DMG... They are now"

As previously stated, no one left the server to kick you. I got disconnected during the SF to DV crash which as you know happens to alot of people sometimes.

Do you really think you're that important that I would leave my game just so I can kick you from the server?

As for your ending comment, gee you are so original! I never heard that one before. The MOB split was over a year ago... LMAO..

Don't you have some servers to try and recruit?


Oh yeah... I like how you say this:

I did read this and I did send him an email. I simply asked how I may help him. I am not going to beg or even ask about the server, I will let him bring it up. I really dont care either way. Everyone just be cool and remember our Code of Conduct. Lets not start bashing people publicly, be nice on forums etc. Everyone please stick to this. Thanks.

But prior to that you said:

Get this done

And before you're "Get this done" quote, this was posted:

={DMG}=YOU_SO_STUPAD --- He asked us if there were any solutions that could be worked out so we could play there again and I think the only way this could be done would be to break off from MOB. THis would be cool since we pay nothing for the server, he does it just cuz he likes to play! It would also be good since there are already tons of regulars on that server so it would boost our forums and webpage tremedously! think about it, free server 64 people, west coast for us CALI DMG, and free advertizing for DMGclan.com!
HAHA, first we take their players now we take their server! DONT FUCK WITH DMG
={DMG}=Vertigo --- I think it'd be cool. Just to shove it in their faces. DMG #4 it would look so good. It always attracts players, I love the server because I poon noobs on it Gretzky style.

So don't try and play little Miss innocent. Stop trying to change the subject of the post. You knew exactly what was going on and approved of it.

I could give a shit about what you think of me, but for you to approve of going behind Druid's back like that is pretty sad. Druid is the man that has always been there for you to help you with your servers and whatever else you needed. Druid put you on the map and that's how you repay him? Sad.

This post has been edited by realdeal: 06/04/05 2:44pm

[={DMG}=ashe]

Druid put you on the map and that's how you repay him?

Are you really as retarded as everyone else thinks? Put me on what map? I didnt know I was on any map. I guess I was wrong to stick up for you when everyone else was calling you an idiot.

[realdeal]

Druid put you on the map and that's how you repay him?

Are you really as retarded as everyone else thinks? Put me on what map? I didnt know I was on any map. I guess I was wrong to stick up for you when everyone else was calling you an idiot.

Once again changing the subject. Why not just address the issues at hand? You're too obvious.

What this post proves is that you are a dickhead like everyone else thinks. I guess I was wrong to stick up for you when everyone said you were a dickhead. My bad.

[Druid]

Now who was it that said "Can't you just let it drop?"

Now for the 10th time.
Ashe
I will point out why you should check your facts before you post.
I can't be any more simple than this.
You claimed RD left the server to restart CI for the purpose of kicking you.
The only person who ever said this was You, nobody else.
RD even posted what did happen on your own forum 6 months ago, but you where to thick headed to accept it. That is the only reason you been been going on with the idea you where somehow wronged when that wasn't the case.
You keep falling back to what diesel told you even though both I and RD told you that he was mistaken.
They say a picture is worth a thousand words so here you go
Private Post
Now look at the dates, this was done several days before you claimed RD left the server and restarted CI to kick you. All of this would of been settled 6 months ago if you had been willing to openly discuss it when I tried to do so on your forum.
It's clear, although in the public topic everyone played nice but privately you dragged MOB over the coals.

Now to clear a few things up.
The only reason anyone brought up I had done for you is because in your MOB bashing over the missionary issue you tried to justify yourself with how wrong MOB was after everything DMG had done for them.
Lets see, you helped with practices, funny I thought that was mutual.
If thats the best you could do, as I've said before I'm more than willing to compare scorecards.

At last another cute attempt to change the subject by bringing up the MOB split.
Maybe you don't remember but you had a completely different attitude back then.
How quickly people tend to forget when it suits them.
Lets have a closer look.
Epacy --- This would have more to do with me than RD or at least I think.
Diesel --- He let his competitive side get the better of him, nothing to do with RD
Deuce --- Now isn't this the same person you claimed was hacking in your server? So According to you it's a good thing he left MOB or are you going to claim you didn't make that statement.
As for the rest, it's been covered more than once.

Something I've never understood. When a person can't respond to the topic, the best they can do is bring up the MOB/TLD split. They mistakenly think they are throwing something in our face when it actually makes them look silly seeing as how most people don't even know what it was about.
As I've said all along, people tend to come an go but MOB remains.
The TLD/MOB split wasn't the 1st or only time, it was just as big of a loss when F-K and the FBI guys went their separate ways to do their own thing.
I wonder why no one ever brings that up?

[={DMG}=ashe]

The only reason anyone brought up I had done for you is because in your MOB bashing over the missionary issue you tried to justify yourself with how wrong MOB was after everything DMG had done for them.

Please go back to TLD's forums where this all began. YOU brought it up. Not me. Do you have nothing better to do then bring up an issue that was dead for over 5 months?

Druid, you started all this. In my post on TLD I was referring to my dislike over the way Real handled the Girls w/Guns issue and you got out your whip to beat that dead horse over and over. You were wrong for bringing it up, but you will never admit to that. You had no idea what I was referring to, but you will never admit to that. You ASSumed......wrongly.

You are clinging to an issue that was over almost 6 months ago to bring into light the GPF issue. Every clan has things they dont want others to know about. Like the time Real filed the email dispute with the OGL because Mob won a match but the opposing team was unwilling to post the loss until after DMG had challenged for the top spot. We then beat Warpigs and Real disputed the fact. Saying we should not be in the top spot because we never should of been allowed to challenge them due to the fact that Mobs match was over before ours, but the team Mob played did not report the loss in a timely fashion. This was while we were practicing together, so Real tried to keep it as quiet as possible. I never whined to him when the admin from the OGL sent me the email laughing about what a whiner he was. I let it go. Oh well. This is going nowhere. You wont admit that you were wrong to bring it up and I really dont care about it anyways.