Mitchell Report, A depressing day for Baseball Options

[Rush]

I'm very disappointed in some of these players, especially Pudge Rodriguez and Chuck Knoblauch. I didn't see Pudge Rodriguez on Saucy's list, but I think I saw his name on ESPN today. I was a huge fan of his when he was with the Rangers. And Knoblauch played at my alma mater, A&M.

Besides the diappointment, I'm happy all of this is coming out. It makes me angry that people "break records" by doping (as we call it in cycling). Furthermore, people give me a hard time for being a cycling fan because "everyone dopes." Clearly this is not a problem exclusive to any one sport.

[Genocide Junkie]

theres no way to know what the checks are for. Its easy to assume that its steroids but this guy was a trainer for top athletes. $1500 may not be that much for a training w/ him. Petite spent ten days with the guy. Thats only aout $75k-$100k a year for a top of the line pro trainer. To me that's not out of line for what they would be paying a guy that was their trainer... but who knows.

[Ktulu]

I dont really give a damn, they want smaller testicles and back hair so they can hit a ball with their stick so be it. What pisses me off is the fact that the Government is wasting and has wasted so much friggen time on this crap. How many tax dollars do we need to spend on something so stupid. If this was going on at Microsoft, their would be a POLICE investigation and the people would be charged and tried. But in this case we have to stop the government for days on end for hearings and grandstanding when these fuckers should be behind closed doors trying to figure out ways to get our troops in Afganistan and Iraq the equipment they need to do the job. as Forrest Gump would say "Thats all I got to say about that"

[T/A6Pak]

I dont really give a damn, they want smaller testicles and back hair so they can hit a ball with their stick so be it. What pisses me off is the fact that the Government is wasting and has wasted so much friggen time on this crap. How many tax dollars do we need to spend on something so stupid. If this was going on at Microsoft, their would be a POLICE investigation and the people would be charged and tried. But in this case we have to stop the government for days on end for hearings and grandstanding when these fuckers should be behind closed doors trying to figure out ways to get our troops in Afganistan and Iraq the equipment they need to do the job. as Forrest Gump would say "Thats all I got to say about that"

Great Point KT!!!

There have been a great deal of debates on this issue and at the end of the day it comes down to certain players having an advantage over other players due to the fact that they did roids. This effects pay, who makes the cut, etc. At the end of the day it goes towards the intergrity of the person and what they are willing to do to make that extra dollar and the the intergrity of the league as a whole.

We all know what happened after the stike, they lost a great deal of money. The stands were empty for a long time. They finally get the fans back and this... wow.

Hmmm, wonder what would happen if they tested the NFL players.... drum roll please.

How much did this inquiry cost the USA? If they would have had the proper test in place from the beginning this would never have happened.. at least not to this extent.

[UNDEAD 1]

thats all fine and good but its effecting more than just MLB players. you have kids in 10th grade who aspire to be in the MLB using steroids .hell i see it in my gym every day.horrible,these guys any way you look at it are roll models.no one gives a damn when a wrestler kills his kids and wife,except the fact hes been roided out his whole life and just went nuts ,the kids see this crap wether its baseball ,ping pong or wrestling .

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[shazbot]

Noooo not Nook Logan too!

[Ktulu]

You are right Undead, it is a disgrace that these kids look up to the players as role models instead of their parents. I see every day the effects of parents who let their kids lead their own lives.....Parents need to regain control of the kids and return to beating the shit out of them to get their attention. It has worked for centuries but we have evolved to a good old time out, If my Parents had done that to me I would have laughed my ass off while I was peeing in the corner or smearing boogers on the wall.

[Genocide Junkie]

The left wing PC liberal kooks have made it almost illegal to discipline a child. Not that they try or care but they go so far as to make it almost impossible for the people who actually do. If my mom did what she did to me 25 yrs ago now she'd go to jail. And no my mom didn't abuse me. But I knew right from wrong and if I did wrong she made it completely unworthwhile. I see kids everyday I'd like to grab up by their too low hanging pants and shake the hell out of them. Unfortunately I'd be the one to get in trouble...

[Barkmann]

Thats all too true Geno.

I think the gouvment took the rights of parents to discipline there own kids.

Im not saying its ok to beat your kids, but when i was a kid i got the belt twice and i can tell you

i never did what i did EVER again.

And i think the law has to be tougther on kids who break the law.

[M@ster of Dis@ster]

i assure you saucy,steroid use is worse in hockey than baseball,hockey hasnt had that one all star player become vocal yet ,it will happen though .one thing mitchell had described early in his report that alot of these guys were told when they would be tested days and sometimes weeks before test day. this is happening with all sports,especially the NFL .i ,being an orioles fan since i was 7 ,knew most of that list - anderson ,segui and tejada but was amazed to see brian roberts name.these names stem from the grimsley report and basicly from a few trainors etc...,could you imagine how many players who go to mexico or get them from friends? ill bet %50 of the league is on some sort of steroid or hgh.



was amazed at the amount of current and previous boston red sox players named as well. just glad ,NOT to see Cal Ripkens name,he roomed with brady when in spring training.

What are you basing your accusations against hockey on???

[UNDEAD 1]

mod ,its there -trust me . all sports.

i think if the kids know theres a more thorough testing method and harsher penalties ,alot would probably think twice.MLB is a slave to the players union and is going to be the reason for its demise-no salary cap- lame drug testing.heres a question, me as a father ,do i want to take my son to the ball park to see a bunch of millionare drug users and spend $150 for a hot dog and 2 beers?or take him to the zoo?



kt ,i do agree although we do use the timeout method,lol. now that im at the office 5 to 6 days a week i see my wife slowly moving towards throwing that method out the window .





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[M@ster of Dis@ster]

mod ,its there -trust me . all sports.

i think if the kids know theres a more thorough testing method and harsher penalties ,alot would probably think twice.MLB is a slave to the players union and is going to be the reason for its demise-no salary cap- lame drug testing.heres a question, me as a father ,do i want to take my son to the ball park to see a bunch of millionare drug users and spend $150 for a hot dog and 2 beers?or take him to the zoo?



kt ,i do agree although we do use the timeout method,lol. now that im at the office 5 to 6 days a week i see my wife slowly moving towards throwing that method out the window .

Well, you said that it is worse in hockey than baseball. Frankly, when the rumours have been swirling around baseball for over a decade now and we now have a report that names some of the bigger names, and just those linked to one guy, I think it's some wrong to throw out a blanket accusation at another sport with no evidence. Yes, of course there are atheletes everywhere using steriods, but in baseball it seems like it has gone that extra step to being a part of the culture. One suspects that any player not satisfied with the current state of his game could easily find someone in his clubhouse who could help his start the steriod cycle.

The union in this all has been dispicable. Instead of calling meeting and trying to come up with a plan that would eliminate drug use so ALL their members could compete on an even level, they've done their best to protect the guilty. What must a ball player who hasn't used steriods be thinking? Clemens and Bonds break records and make untold millions, and when it is discovered they cheated to make themselves better at the expense of other players, the union is looking out for THE CHEATERS, and ignores the innocent!

With 25 million dollars contracts to players for 1 year's service, baseball could obviously afford to hire an army of testers to scoure the major and minor league's with surprise tests. If there was any will to fix the problem, they could do it.

However, the first step would be to ban all people listed from any Hall of Fame entry, period. Then launch a fuller investigation and if steriod use can be proven more conclusively, start lifetime bans from baseball. Strike Bonds and Clemens records from the books, etc. Baseball is stained. If they want to remove it, time for some harsh justice. Don't let the league's most successful cheaters dominate the record books or adorn Hall of Fame plaques. Send the message out to kids that baseball doesn't tolerate cheaters anymore, and that steriods isn't one of the paths to the major leagues.

Or ignore it. If they ignore it, I hope baseball fans stop going. If the execs won't send a message, the fans should. Stop cheering exposed and guilty cheaters.

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[UNDEAD 1]

Mod, does the NHL test for steroids? HGH? every sport is plagued by steroids . you never really heard about NFL players using them until lyle alzado died and was open about overly using them through out his career.then you have Romanowski who said the phili eagles would provide them to the team,he was taking stuff and he didnt have any idea what it was-"they would invent something and i would take it,didnt know what it was" quote. Now the NFL tests (like baseball)but not as tough as the olympics.like i said in a previous post,until you have a hockey player who basicly shrivels up with multiple cancers and spills the beans about his rampant steroid use,like alzado, it will not be an issue.i can tell you that like baseball ,you have a small kid who wants into the NHL -its an easy ticket.im not downing your sport, i simply have never heard of an NHL steroid problem or testing.if theres no problems there,why test right?







a guy posted on my baseball team forums something alot of people havent thought about,the fact steroids have been in use (widely)since 1930 . i believe he posted that they didnt start testing for steroids until the 1950s and it was because of the wide use in the olympics.how can you say none of the baseball ,hockey,basketball and football players (around the world) werent taking them then??whos to say ruth ,maris,aaron or even rose didnt take them??its an issue now because guys are breaking records that were unbreakable and steroid use is out of control all the way down to early high school players,in all sports. the mitchell report is only the tip of the ice berg being most of the info came because of the grimsley arrest ,2 trainers and a bat boy.imagine the guys (like most of the oakland raiders 6 years back) that were getting caught driving to mexico and buying them on their own?most of that team tested positive by the way which drove romanowski into retirement.

[Kleerance]

I think it's obvious that in physical sports (not baseball, bowling, chess or other mambo-jambo stuff) steroids have an important effect. They are building muscles in faster pace than normal and also (for some drugs) have an effect to increase your natural pain level.. What a baseballplayer can gain of this type of steriods is beyond my belief - but hey -if they tested positive they have. Remeber in sports like cross country skiing, marathon and sports that is not so "explosive" you don't have this need for anabole steroids. In such sports you have a big advantage of drugs that can transport your blood faster/ increase your blood %. Thats why you don't see anabole steriodes in these kind of sports (not because they are more honest), but then again you have this blood doping problem.

But it's obvious that sports like Boxing, hockey, Am football, weightlifting etc.. one have a BIG advantage of anabole steriod towards the clean athletes. So by any logical approach - these kind of sports have a way bigger problem with steroids than for instance baseball.