what its all about, whats its all about Options

[Jack]

what its all about

[Major.Pain]

That is the obvious agenda isn't it? Nice visual btw.





pain

[Druid]

Let me guess, your one of those conspiracy guys who claim Bush is controlling the price of gas for the election

[Jack]

nope could care less about what happens outside of my room i do think we went for oil we need it they have it just like in the old days when someone has somethin you need or want you go take it but then agein i dont know just figerd i would show yall for fun people put way to much time into bashin bush i dont think hes a bad prez i think there all doing what there told to do

[Genocide Junkie]

If we were going after a country for oil it would be Iran, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, or one of about 7 others who produce more than Iraq......

Junkie

[Jack]

If we were going after a country for oil it would be Iran, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, or one of about 7 others who produce more than Iraq......

Junkie

dont worry there next why else are we over there

[blk96gt]

If we wanted the oil Sr. would have got it the first time we were there. Iraq has always been small percentage of our imports compared to what we get from Canada and Mexico, respectively. Besides, they still haven't opened up the coast of Florida yet for drilling. We've been drilling off the coast of Texas, Mexico, and Louisiana for over 30 years, and we are still getting a shitload of oil and natural gas from there. Florida will be much the same.

[Hellfighter]

If we wanted the oil Sr. would have got it the first time we were there. Iraq has always been small percentage of our imports compared to what we get from Canada and Mexico, respectively. Besides, they still haven't opened up the coast of Florida yet for drilling. We've been drilling off the coast of Texas, Mexico, and Louisiana for over 30 years, and we are still getting a shitload of oil and natural gas from there. Florida will be much the same.

But then again sometimes these 'speculations' turn out to be not so lucrative in quantity as originally thought. Crunch time is coming fast. Panic buttons by the experts are starting to be pressed now that we're facing the very real actuality of consuming resources beyond a sustainable limit regarding the future global population growth.

[pezking]

nope could care less about what happens outside of my room i do think we went for oil we need it they have it just like in the old days when someone has somethin you need or want you go take it but then agein i dont know just figerd i would show yall for fun people put way to much time into bashin bush i dont think hes a bad prez i think there all doing what there told to do

I don't care about your political beliefs or your opinions, but please... if you're going to represent Virginia, learn how to spell and punctuate. It's just embarrassing. BTW, you need to update yourself on where we get oil, it's not just Iraq. Please go back to school.

[Kleerance]

If we wanted the oil Sr. would have got it the first time we were there. Iraq has always been small percentage of our imports compared to what we get from Canada and Mexico, respectively. Besides, they still haven't opened up the coast of Florida yet for drilling. We've been drilling off the coast of Texas, Mexico, and Louisiana for over 30 years, and we are still getting a shitload of oil and natural gas from there. Florida will be much the same.

The point is that the world is decreasing its proven oil reserves by 10% each year, so you HAVE TO find more oil just to keep up with the current consumption. In addition, China is growing fast. China has 25% of the worlds population, and the industrial situation in China is compared to what happened in USA from 1900-1970 - just 10 times faster.....Take a wild guess what would happen to oil prices when China also want the American way of life, including consumption for oil.....(You really have to find shitloads of oil....)



I think the main reason Bush went to Iraq is to secure a safe supplychain of oil from the arab states. Why? Because roughly 60-70% of the world resources of oil is located in that area. Besides, USA is consuming over 100% more oil than they are producing. http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/oil.html

So just to maintain the American way of life they are dependent of oilimports from these arab states (Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia,Libya, Kuwait, Emirates) Looks like a real challenge to me....Unfortunately many muslim states hate America and all it stands for - and the regimes in these countries are very unstable......So a presence from USA and other western countries is just a prerequisite to maintain world order. Imagine what happens if Al-Qaida "look-alikes" get control over 60-70% of the world oil reserves............

[Cpt. Snot Rocket]

First, There's much in the advancement in technology to find natural reserves. This technology actually shows that there is much more at known sites than previsiously calculated. Take the Gulf of Mexico. The Natural Gas reserves have been updates 3 times in the last 50 years showing a 600% increase in what was thought to be their in the 50's. A recent study shows that Canada is likely sitting on the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world. It goes on and on. Russia is just now getting the technology and infrastructure to pull huge amounts of oil out of Siberia.

If you are worried that increase in demand inflates prices consider this fact. Iron Ore, Coal, Tungsten, and Copper prices are nearly the same now than the 70's. Of course demand for these products has absolutely skyrocketed. So why has the price remained low? Because when there is demand, people produce. The oil pricing is controled by a illegal agreement among the OPEC nations. Unfortunetly, they control a huge percentage of the current oil flow. This will change when the other oil reserves hit the market.

Of course, who wants to try and understand our global economy and actully sound intelligent when one can just to blame George Bush. After all, it is all his fault that people built a city in LA that was under the water level, and then he did nothing to stop that hurricane from hitting it.

This post has been edited by Cpt. Snot Rocket: 10/29/06 9:53am

[pezking]

After all, it is all his fault that people built a city in LA that was under the water level, and then he did nothing to stop that hurricane from hitting it.

They should make a movie like Armegeddeon where Bush orders planes to fly into the hurricane and they magically divert it into Cuba or something. I also think it's hilarious how everyone points the finger at Bush over Katrina. Morons.

[Hellfighter]

............After all, it is all his fault that people built a city in LA that was under the water level, .......

A typo of course...... . But we'll blame Bush if there's a cataclysmic earthquake inLA.

As for 'morons' comment Pez
It's erroneous to think people are elevating Bush to Godly status and he himself directed Katrina at LA, let alone having the power to "stop it from hitting" [he and the mayor DID announce to N.O residents to 'get out of Dodge' so to speak]... But that criticism of critics is just like believing someone can't be for the decision to go to Iraq but be against the war after finding out neo-cons had no preparations for finishing up what a thorough job the military did getting to Baghdad.
I think the heavy Bush criticism regarding the hurricane hitting L.A ... errr, New Orleans was more about a very tardy follow-up rescue effort since knowing full well a massive hurricane was about to hit, there should've been speculation to consider a 'what if' the flood walls breached swift response scenario---> similar to the post-Baghdad capture phase by Bush&coy. foul-up
....
Anyway have a read here
http://www.naftc.wvu.edu/NAFTC%20eNews/Oct...oilreserve.html

.... remember many claims of more available oil resources than previously thought are only estimates.

I hope globally we get into alternative cleaner fuel resources or who knows if we irreversibly screw things up not managing our eco-systems/enviroment nobody will be about to use any fuel



This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 10/29/06 10:01pm

[steel]

None of this is appropriate in a clan's forums, nor does it do anything but divide us when it has nothing to do with gaming. I have never seen one of these forum arguments result in anything more than hurt feelings on both sides of any argument.

If you want to effect change, run for an office, or campaign for someone you really believe in.

But no matter what, vote.

If you don't vote, look no farther than the face in your mirror to complain about.

[pezking]

I think opinionated debates are healthy. I've learned and bettered myself many times from them in the past.