Why we are at war against terrorism Options

[holden_caulfield]

You make a good point, but I think the formal dissolution of the Ottoman Empire is only partly to blame. A huge part of this problem lies with Israel and its creation after WWII. Prior to 1948, the people living in Palestine (both Jews and Muslims) were, for the most part, amicable. Of course, the presence of the British occupiers would have had a hand in stifling any potential unrest, but, for the most part, there was peace in the region. Today historians can only point out the glaringly obvious fact that in creating a homogenous and democratic Israeli state while simultaneously dispossesing millions of peaceful Palestinians of their homes, the western powers sowed the first seeds of bitterness and division. Now the palestinians have no home, they have no government, they have not been brought into the modern world, and, to rub salt in their wounds, they live right next door to what is essentially USA Lite (jewish modern society). They're pissed, their jealous, and their frustration is arguably justifiable.

This is no excuse for terrorism; there is none. But what we have to understand is that this conflict of west vs. east is very very complex, and that the very real anger of the common middle eastern man has been manipulated and channeled for the advantage of those who govern them. And these demagogues, who are truly evil men, have turned a socio-political conflict into a cultural/religous one. Why? Because religous conflicts can never be reconciled: assimilate or be assimilated, kill or be killed. That is their philosophy. Religion is a source of power, and it is so blinding that the slaves cannot see their own enthrallment.

So in this sense I completely agree with you. The men who are fueling this hate, men like Osama and AQ, they must be eleminated. I think a central issue of this seemingly Republican/Democrat split on this forum is whether Saddam falls into this category, and consequently whether he should have been eleminated. With the exception of Turkey, he ran the most secular government in the Middle East. My opinion is nay. Let's get the real bastards.

[Silver]

look at the way the brittish left isreal, in a hell of alot of trouble. isreal fought hard for its statehood along with countless conflicts and "wars". on a side note the united states was not been isreals bestest friend in the begining, but supplied weapons etc. the un let isreal down countless times and hence isreal has always been proactive in its plight. probally the only reason it is alive. though i must say it seem isreal is developing a wait and see prospective with palistine since the death of arafat(?). and for saddam, we all knew someday we would have to wage s war with them (again) it was more of a when.

[Oh You]

we can never win the war on drugs, we dont have enough money and morale support to stop it. the drug czars have more money then the United States could ever throw at the war

-Silver



That exact quote would make just as much sense if you switched the word drug, with Terror, and drug czars with Terrorists. You can't win the War on Terror, just like you can't win the War on Drugs.

Because religous conflicts can never be reconciled: assimilate or be assimilated, kill or be killed. That is their philosophy. Religion is a source of power, and it is so blinding that the slaves cannot see their own enthrallment.

-holden_caulfield

You, took the words right out of my mouth. Nearly, if not every war in the history of the World has been because of, or affected by Religion. And while Religion exists (and it always will) there will always be extremists, terrorists, and there will always be wars.



This post has been edited by Oh You: 04/06/06 9:34pm

[Silver]

we can never win the war on drugs, we dont have enough money and morale support to stop it. the drug czars have more money then the United States could ever throw at the war

-Silver



That exact quote would make just as much sense if you switched the word drug, with Terror, and drug czars with Terrorists. You can't win the War on Terror, just like you can't win the War on Drugs.

the war on drugs is much diffrent then the war on terror.... they both hold violence but one can be corrected one cannot. truly what innocient life is lost in the war on drugs? the 8 y/o being brought up in a crack house hit by a stray bullet? that is the same one wearing "Thug in training" white t.
war on drugs can be stopped with legalization and clinics, and promote business ventures and communinty growth.

I doubt Bin Laden commits terror to put food on HIS table and will stop the deaths to open a corner store... but you can ask him... and tell us what he says right before he cuts your head off with a butter knife....

[Rommel]

Unfortunately some forget, others may simply put it out of their mind since it's been almost 3 years now. But please take a look at the links below to remind yourself.

FIRST PLANE HITS THE WORLD TRADE CENTER


SECOND PLANE HITS THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

EXCLUSIVE FOOTAGE OF SECOND PLANE HITTING THE WORLD TRADE CENTER

CNN RECAP OF 9/11

my opinion in this case is clear 9/11 is the reason. we will never forget. Terror is a cowardly way to make someone change their mind

This is a terrorist,

[FeezyWeezy]

You know that I never say anything about War on Terror, and what not. As I believe that only people that know the facts should talk. Emotional feelings of rage and anger always get people fucked up, one way or another.

I believe in that every soul is a manupilator. you change your suroundings the way that it fits you. Some fail with even a tiny change, some make big changes that involve everyone.
War on Terror. Is it psoible to have a war on Terror?
Terror, how I see it, is 1 group of people / person doing something very very unpleasant to another group or person so that they will lose certain of their welfare. You could even see a worldtrade ban from the world towards 1 country as a sort of terrorism. It will cause some political fear. And thats what Terror is about, spreading fear and weaken him with it.
As long as there are humans there will be greed, jelousy and so on. Terror will always excist. There is "no" way you can fight it.

Our troops go to Afganistan, the area is heavily unstable so my personal opinion is that our lightly armed troops have no place there. (Uruzgan) I believe that one day that there should come people to aid these people. But a heavy militairy force wont help on a War on Terror. A War on Terror. You can't fight Terror with arms. What people do now in the middle-east is simple: Fight Terror with Terror. A tank shooting at homes would get me scared.
Radical groups that use the way of Terror use the terror used against them as a fuel to fuel their own terror.
See, they are shooting our apartment flats. See they hate us. We can be better than them, by using some godly believe to justify our means of force.

Terrorists use believe of something radical to justify terror.
Western comunity freedom.

People should simply leave me alone with their believes when I dont ask about them. I'm no chirstian, muslim, yew, buhdist or whatsoever and I hardly care about their stories. (specialy when they come from a radical extremists mouth)
Freedom you cant push down onto people. And is western freedom freedom? Western sociaty is fucked up with lack of morals. Sex drugs and voilence is the habbit of the day. Fuck everyone that looks hot, become a teenage mom..YAY!! (stupid sluts that are..) Spank myself daily with some cocaine...yum yum..and the voilence of stealing is the only way left. Somer parts of the US have a poverty rate of 43%. They cant go away, cant work more (some work 15-16hours a day for 350 dollar) and they live in insecurity day by day.
Democratcy is maybe a certain freedom, but people should want it.

Is there no way to fight terror?
There is,
Education. THATS THE ONLY WAY.

[Hellfighter]

I'd go a step further;
Create an even economic playing field universally> yes through education, but in so-doing nullify prime enrolment strategy of terrorists - poor who have nothing productive to give the world or share in being a productive world citizen. Destroy the idea that since they are poor and frustrated, they might as well die for 'a cause' and hurt others in the process, all this as they are convinced by the monsters running terror organisations; and an educated person would wonder why these loud-mouthed anti-heroes aren't doing the suicidal bombings, but instead hiding in caves.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 05/04/06 11:22am

[Radiation]

.

This post has been edited by Radiation: 04/27/07 2:48pm

[Crazy Canuck]

Death solves all problems, no man... no problem --J Stalin.

LOL .... I like it !

[Silver]

feezy how can you comment on western ideals from what you read in mainstream media? you cant, if you think that we have lack of morals here (which we do...) you cant hep but observe your own land or the land of the middleeast.
what morals do a group of ppl have that come to help your children and you let them. when they are done building your schools, etc you cut their heads off on the net so their families can see? Europe is as fucked up as we are if not more in some cases. we all have issues, some worse then others, but the diffrence in ppl society reflects what moral obligations and issues should be delt with.

I agree with Radiation, no man no problem.

maybe if the rest of the world wasnt so pussified maybe the US wouldnt have to spend Billions and send OUR troops over their to solve everyones problems. we fucked up 2 times, WW2 for not standing up to germany and japan before we did. thinking that the countries over there would have settled it. then came 9-11 thinking that the countries would stop the crazy terrorists...
we stop BS when it comes to wars...
now we will stop the terrorists were they are! our land or urs

[FeezyWeezy]

I said Western world, WESTERN...thats US, CANADA, UK, NORWAY, SWEDEN, THE NTHERLANDS, BELGIUM, GERMANY, FRANCE, SPAIN, ITALY etc. etc.

Maybe I should remind you that its not just the US sitting in the middle east.



This post has been edited by FeezyWeezy: 05/04/06 4:37pm

[Silver]

just so you know that wsnt directed at you (even though i directed it at u)... I am tired of the anti-american sentiment on our servers... BTW the world revolves around us feez.. hahahahaha

This post has been edited by Silver: 05/04/06 5:25pm

[Lord Lipton]

okay, am i diggin up old soil? yes probably. but i'm going to side with Real and Druid and everyone else. its not Bush's fault. How could he have stopped the plane? Wasn't he in a room with children reading kids stories? this terror could've happened under any president, and probably would have.



but its not for me to say it WOULD for sure or it WOULD NOT for sure.





god politics.......crazy shit.

[Hellfighter]

I don't think Anti-Bush = anti american.... 68% of Americans don't even favour Bush's current policies. I was for the move to go into Iraq based on Iraqi dissients [now known as fake] reports on WMD - call it a 'better safe than sorry' mentality / like Churchill's misgivings about the Fascists prior to WW2. While the military did their part knifing to Baghdad, Bush and his neocon dummies messed up with phase 2 in establishing law and order in that critical part of Iraq... in short there was no plan at all for it/ only false hope. In my opinion this is where Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should've had a trapdoor open beneath them to dump into Hell. How many soldier's died needlessly because of the lax attitude of the Bush administration to fortify the intital sucess thereby giving the terrorists the thumbs up to exploit the strategic flaw, and to flood into central Iraq and turn the place into a grinding inferno.

I have to say, keep in mind the West has their own form of psychos running around on a scale of monstrosity equivalent to those butchering/bombing terrorists SOBs [ who in my opinion,are cold bloodied murderers just masquerading as killing for an agenda]. Monsters in the West, namely;-
Timothy McVeigh, Serial killers, mass murdering spree killers, schoool rampage killers, doctors/nurses murdering-killing dozens [and in one case in the UK recently hundreds of patients], priests molesting kids by the dozens, gangs raping neighbourhoods with drug activity.
I'm just saying while we see massive rantings over in 'select' places of the Muslim world, its not fair to brand the majority of Muslims as being happy when heads get sawed off on video. Fortunately our society has a system where thugs can't take control and repress its population into intimidation and not speaking out as they see fit. I have many arab friends here who are nervous as hell for their families in places like Iraq and many of them [here and over there] would love to see the extremist bullies taken out and a democratic society prevail. But the thugs/mullahs in some places hold terrifying sway over how people can express themselves, and as you can imagine, the doctrine if you aren't jumping about in the street voicing anti-West sentiments, then you must be on their side-> and the ramifications of that cannot be pleasant.
My point is about keeping the venom saved for the few hardcore devils trully stirring up the mess over there. I believe it's their aim to establish a wider 'us vs. them' mentality ie, Crusader West vs. Islam for their own power-tripping schemes, since they know, that without the masses of suckers to prop them up into 'power', they are as significant as slimy cockroaches.

okay, am i diggin up old soil? yes probably. but i'm going to side with Real and Druid and everyone else. its not Bush's fault. How could he have stopped the plane? Wasn't he in a room with children reading kids stories? this terror could've happened under any president, and probably would have.



but its not for me to say it WOULD for sure or it WOULD NOT for sure.





god politics.......crazy shit.

The whole point is why were the leaders asleep knowing a potential tragedy could unfold[Bush and Clinton].... their focus sidetracked to other issues at the time- so in that sense they do get blame. In a 9-11 enquiry a few years back, Condoleeza Rice was asked about her having ANY knowledge of a potential Al quaeda attack in the US.... they specifically asked about intelligence documents she was aware of prior to 9-11, to which she shamelessly faked a fuzzy memory attitude and non-chalantly said "I believe the title [of the document] was Bin Laden plans to attack the U.S with planes" [maybe not the exact quote] So knowing that much, one would assume Bush and his staff would set out to ramp up airport/airline security at the very least! And sure this Al Quaeada scumbag who just got life yesterday had info he could've divulged to stop 9-11 partially or entirely but other opportunities were missed.


This post has been edited by Hellfighter: 05/05/06 9:58am

[dienamic]

Let me see here.....

I have to say, keep in mind the West has their own form of psychos running around on a scale of monstrosity equivalent to those butchering/bombing terrorists SOBs [ who in my opinion,are cold bloodied murderers just masquerading as killing for an agenda]. Monsters in the West, namely;-
Timothy McVeigh, Serial killers, mass murdering spree killers, schoool rampage killers, doctors/nurses murdering-killing dozens [and in one case in the UK recently hundreds of patients], priests molesting kids by the dozens, gangs raping neighbourhoods with drug activity.

I don't believe Any of these "bad Americans or UK doctors" ever high jacked a plane and caused the deaths of thousands unsuspecting people in the Middle east. This is what the post is about right?

What you are all failing to remeber by even drudging up this post is; We did not order these vicious ass whipes to do this on our soil much like the way you order a pizza. I am very pissed at the government right now, but by no means do I even for 1 second have any pity on the extremist or thier kind dying in the middle east that came and killed innocent people. The problem is as follows....."all" Countries are just as responsible for stopping this bull shit as we are. The problem is most commonly.....they are goverened by spineless passive idiots period. Say what you want about America, at least we are trying to do something about it.

BTW, not trying to offend anyone, I am just damn tired of this hype.

I define anyone who would stand by and do nothing to stop terrorist spineless and yes idiotic....sorry.



This post has been edited by dienamic: 05/05/06 5:51pm