There is no gun control.

Every day you hear about someone shooting someone else or others.

The law is a joke when it comes to crime.

Maybe its the prescription psychiatric drug treatment?How many young people do you know are on depression drugs or taking Ritalin?

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/061207Shooter.htm



A must read!!!

i know this sounds terrible but... if people hate THEIR lives and THEMSELVES and everthing about THEMSELF why shoot other people, start with yourself and then we will talk...

(again i know that sounds bad and i hope this doesnt offend anyone but its the only way i could get what im trying to say across)

hmmm, taking notes from the Bush 'Emergency False alerts' Playbook I see... you forgot to mention 'mushroom clouds' on the horizon in that comment though.
Why disparage a people of a faith in entirety when you know you mean radical extremists? Do you deliberately intend to slur the majority of law abiding citizens in that group... no I'm not picking on you Mr.Rocket but from firsthand experience when I lived in Europe[and even though I was born there] that's the junk I had to hear everyday from hatemongerors/dimwits regarding myself when growing up. When you're just trying to live a normal life and get through the day it's like getting shot out/gutpunch of nowhere hearing generalized stereotype fear-mongering stupidity about yourself based on an 'identifiable' group you're in.

All the muslim friends I have are just that- they have no hidden agenda to take over nations with guns. They're soft spoken good people-eat,work,joke,ask about how you're doing etc.,just like you do. If you mean extremists say just that. Those generalized comments don't speak highly of one's ability to analyze reality nor having a complex thinking process-which I'd like to think you do. And no it's also wrong for you to think the rest of the world's civilians like stockpiling guns 'just in case' - I'm not criticizing what you believe in in the USA about right-to-bear arms but that's not a general mentality elsewhere.




Yeah I agree the law is a joke... but gun control here as it is- it could be a zillion times worse if no effort was made. Alot of guns used in crimes are smuggled across the border. Compare our city/nationwide stats for gun-crimes compared to major US cities and note the difference. Europe is luckier imo since they're mostly bordered with each other not having an excess of guns to be had and smuggled across for crooks to use.

I'm not sure about that angle- lotsa kids using drug teatments like that but there's no epidemic of them going on shooting sprees -usually it's about these spree-killing kids wanting to get even after the 'straw breaks' for them -whatver that may have been in the end of their life.

What about the people young and old who commit suicide but but don't go on a killing spree? I know of one suicide where a 55 yr.old women killed herself after getting on depression drugs.In my thoughts it's The school systems putting our children on drugs,some people can handle it,some can't.The Drug Companies are ruining our country.

Those Muslim "friends" of yours are lax Muslims my friend. They are not devout Muslims. A devout Muslim knows what his duty is. Those "radical extremists" you mention ARE the faithful Muslims. This is another media / politically correct lie that you have bought into. This is the reason why all those "peaceful" Muslims don't condemn the extremists. Because they know the the extremists are correct!!!!!



Here's is my proof that those Muslims you know are not REAL Musilms. Straight out of the Q'uran:

WOMEN 004.089 "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them" http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/quran/qsearch....p;action=search



Once the extemists get control they can brow beat or shame the "peaceful" Muslims into subservance by reading them the Q'uran!!!



The war against us infidels is on but we just don't want to acknoledge it. We will loose because we won't fight. But, I'm not going to live in some fantasy world and pretend it's not happening. God save us all.






Sorry guys, did not mean to hijak this thread! LoL!

The neo-cons are afraid of Veterans.If they all shoot like Dickeey Chaney they ought to be.

www.infowars.net/articles/december2007/211207Zelman.htm

i think for myself- you may like to lump someone with views opposite to yours as 'buying into a trend', but that's a fantasy. Like others I assess my viewpoint looking at from various angles and sources.
The muslim friends I have are at various levels of Muslim 'devoutness' so that gives me the upperhand in telling you there's a difference between devout Muslims and extremist ones-rather than you taking the lofty position of what type they are without having met them- much like the difference between dedicated Christians and whackos like David Koresh-types- who you cannot argue knew his Bible quotes very well! But don't tell me you would consider him a man of Christian religion -> ie, refusing to let kids leave from his compound during the siege. Need I bring up the vitruous times in the West of Inquisitions in the name of Christian religion for hundreds of years?
No doubt extremists of whatever faith or belief want to crush the freedoms of those they can rule.
Extremists pervert religion as their cause -is there a need to make all Muslims seem like they're frothing at the mouth for the sake of their religion. Those extremists know their perverted ancient powers will be no more if the optimisms of democracy take root in the children and wives they're traditionally used to controlling.
We agree there.
It's easy enough for me to point out things in our 'version' of the Bible too that are not so glimmering- ie, where does it mention outrage at the battles of the 'good guys' slaughtering enemies/ why did the gospel by Mary get left out/ no spoken opposition to slavery etc.,
You miss my point dare I say again.... those -> devout Muslims you refer to are extremists- I know devout Muslims, and they aren't extremists.... once again I know the difference and there is a difference as to the broad brush stroke you wish to paint most Muslims as on the verge of overthrowing their goverments which wants us all wishing we had firepower at hand [ reminds me of how Afrikanners were told to get ready for a Dunkirk type of situation AND arm themselves to the teeth once they lost power to the majority they'd been suppressing for so long - well that was hyped up as we see now].
My point is,the fear mongering image is very divisive in society, the typical Muslim has done nothing to you personally. Analyze the difference and you'll see- get some Muslim friends and you'll see -> talk to them, then judge. Actually you'll find many who devoutly do their praying during the day but are otherwise funny as hell and you'd probably like them way more than me .
That's reality.... Creating monsters in one's mind is fantasy => 'muslim-Extremists' are hated by the typical Muslim-> why- because they get slaughtered by extremists -for condemning them - like many people in the 'hoods often don't help in giving up the gang-slime that commit crimes- and if you argue that it's easy to get rid off the extermists, you'd be wrong- as you should know they are low-life sneak artists that kill cowardly+ in disguised ways-it's hard to grab them and then not suffer later in reprisal.

Well when it really heats up your going to hand over your guns.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

The war is on for our guns also.Bush is the enemy.

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59770

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Well what i feel about people having guns is this. I own a couple guns for recreational shooting, hunting, and defense. Me and my father take care of them and keep then locked up and unloaded with the bullets in a different spot.

Well the fact of the matter is its still dangerous for us to have guns in the house. More people get killed when a person breaks in and takes there gun and shoots them. Also how often do you see that some kid got a gun and played around with it and shot himself, a friend or another.

I also don't think anyone needs a fully automatic weapon in there house what so ever. I know people collect them but get it like fixed where it can't be fired. Now if you want to have one to be fired i think we should have all automatic weapons kept at a shooting range and shoot it there.

If you really want reasonable gun control with out people going crazy you need to have places for them to shoot like shooting ranges but you cant take anything that not a single shot or over certain fire power from the shooting range. Then for you hunters we can get more wildlife parks and you can keep you weapon there and hunt there unless it meets the qualifications to take it to you home.


This is what i think will be the best gun control if there is ever one. It "helps" prevent idiots for caring guns and it will save the lives of more kids.

New Testament. Romans 1 :29-32 “Those filled with unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, hate for god, despite, proud, boasters, inventions of evil things, disobedience to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, unnatural affection, implacable or unmerciful nature: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death”.

All of us who posted here are worthy of death to any "devout" Christian. If you don't take this verse literally you must not be a "real" Christian.

Sorry for the sarcasm. I haven't had much posting fun lately.

Worthy of death does not say kill them where you find them. Maybe I'm looking at semantics here but I find them to be quite different.

I think we can can all find each other different but the point is, a typical Muslim is not the extremist jihadist as some train of thoughts like to imply when the 'reality' is otherwise, and the labelling as such is misleading and divisive and only inspires impressionable younger minds here in West into building closed-minded walls as they growup against different religions when they normally wouldn't if they were not hammered with that koran snippets/propoganda -- much like jihadists are taught to hate normal Muslims, Christians and Jews -so in that sense the select section of people in societies twisting the well-meaning of religions into a perverted doctrine of intolerance are much alike. Although regular people are different, they are still much alike - lumping everyone in one boat as radicals doesn't help anyone.

List of Capital Crimes in the Bible (Old Testament)

Murder, applies to Noachides as well (Genesis 9:6, Exodus 21:12-14, Leviticus 24:17-23, Numbers 35:9-34)
Disobedience to parents (Exodus 21:15, 21:17, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Kidnapping (Exodus 21:16, Deuteronomy 24:7)
Negligent homicide, specifically by ox-goring (Exodus 21:28-32)
Sorcery and Augury (Exodus 22:18, Leviticus 20:27)
Bestiality (Exodus 22:19, Leviticus 20:15-16)
Sacrificing to gods other than God alone (Exodus 22:20, Leviticus 27:29)
Sabbath breaking (Exodus 31:12-17, 35:2, Numbers 15:32-36)
Sacrificing to Molech, probably Human sacrifice (Leviticus 20:1-5)
Adultery (Leviticus 20:10)
Incest (Leviticus 20:11-12)
Sodomy (Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 18:22, see also Leviticus 18)
Marrying your wife's mother (Leviticus 20:14)
Prostitution by the daughter of a priest (Leviticus 21:9)
Blasphemy (Leviticus 24:10-16)
worshipping Baal Peor (Numbers 25:1-9)
False prophecy (Deuteronomy 13:1-10, 17:2-7, 18:20-22)
Contempt of court (Deuteronomy 17:8-13)
False witness to a capital crime (Deuteronomy 19:15-21)
Unchastity among those engaged to marry (Deuteronomy 22:13-29)

The bible, as well as the Koran, are used to preach hate by people who benifit from it.

The hate group Christian Identity uses the bible to promote hate and includes Christian Terrorists:

Eric Rudolf - abortion clinic bomber, Atlanta Olympic bomber
Terry Nichols - involved in OKC bombing
Randy Weaver - Ruby Ridge standoff


David McMenemy, who in 2006 tried to blow up an Iowa abortion clinic with a car bomb, is only charged with arson, not terrorism


Throughout the world there are Christian terrorists. We just don't concern ourselves with them. However, one thing they have in common is that they use the bible to justify their actions.


My point is, people who want to justify their hate will do whatever is effective to spread their cause. Religion is one very effective way.

I completely agree anyone who implies Christianity's history isn't full of violence, is a fool.
One word: Crusades
The big difference between the people Bargod just named and people who pervert Islam is there would be no lack of
Christians who would be willing to stand up and say
Eric Rudolf
Terry Nichols
or anyone else like that were dead wrong in their beliefs. I'm guessing about 99%
While on the Muslim side there are very vocal people who speak out against Muslim extremist and are willing to call them what they are but only a minority are willing to do so.

BTW you can't judge Terry Nichols is post 9-11 the same as pre 9-11
Also, I realize your only using Randy Weaver as an example but he shouldn't even be on the list.
While I completely disagree with his beliefs, he was a Separatist not a Racist or member of the Aryan Nation as other people made him out to be. The whole case against him came about only after he refused to be an informant.
It's worth pointing out, the 1st person shot at Ruby Ridge was Weavers 14 year old son.
He was shot in the back by federal agents who by their own testimony had not yet identified themselves.
Little strange how they were "Returning Fire" but shot him in the back.
Next was Randy himself, who again was shot in the back while doing nothing more than trying to retrieve the body of his son.
Then the same FBI sniper, shot Weavers unarmed wife, killing her while she was holding their infant son.
Don't forget, all charges against Weaver were dropped except a warrant against him for failing to appear in a separate case.


On a separate note, I tried to check the Hillary "Crying Game" topic, to see if there was any new post.
Only to find it has mysteriously disappeared.
Was it the result of some strange forum problem effecting a single topic?
Unlikely.
Was it simply an "admin" removed it because they disappoved of the topic due to the anti-Democrat opinions expressed in the topic?
If so, that's
GAY

Yeah its odd - I put a post in there this morning relating to the sidetrack it took about world economy and the Asian market crashing recently - I wonder if their govt. spies had something to do with it

On BGs homegrown terror/religion list should be David Koresh siege[well, it was anti govt. and hostages the way I read it from eyewitness accounts] and the 400year long Inquisition + slaughterhouse religious persecutions going on all over Europe every several decades.

BG that ox-goring listing was funny - imagine an ox fed up by its owner overworking it then at the first opportunity it goes bowling through a village to spear someone just to get a new owner.

I'd like to state for the record that I think the government was wrong on the Koresh and Weaver cases. The FBI and ATF were Janet Reno's personal army.

BTW, The Dallas Morning News had a big article on the Castle Law for fire-arms. It appears that people have been using it to shoot criminals for pretty bs reasons, like walking out of a convenience store without paying for your beer. More details if/when I read the whole thing.

The Neocons wants my gun.Why are they wanting my gun?So they can have their way with me.

www.gunowners.org

Shooting in Butte , Montana
Shotgun preteen vs. illegal alien Home Invaders :Butte, Montana November 5, 2007
Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.
It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.
Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.
Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the fir st to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.
When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into the street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.
It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.
Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two A-hole, illegal immigrants.......and she wins, she is still alive.
Now that is Gun Control !

You are right! A completely responsible gun owner was murdered in his home and his .45 was stolen to be used in future crimes!

Wait. What was your point? Oh, yeah. Gun control. Shotguns and single shot rifles would of course remain legal.

That's a nice twist Bar, however what does it matter what type of gun the girl defended herself with? The bad guys originally stabbed the 45 owner. Should we ban knives too now? I'd be curious to see the statistics on stabbings/year. Drugs are illegal and yet there seems to be alot of them around...



The key phrase in your statement was "responsible gun owner" not handgun, shotgun, or rifle.

Total urban myth mad up by pro-gun advocates. I suspected it right away because it had it "all". An innocent preteen girl, dirty nasty "illegal" immigrants, armed and dangerous, having formerly murdered another legal gun owner. Pure "good" versus "evil". But the clicher was the crotch shot! Yep, the evil, gun-totting illegal immigrant gets shot in the balls by a little girl. Classic!

Never happened though. Quick Internet search.

http://billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/1...te/63-phony.txt

Just a fact-check. The story mentions at the bottom, however, that this is posted as fact on many pro-gun websites.

There are lot's of ways to hurt each other. The thing is that you are more likely to survive a stabbing than a gun shot. Also, you are less likely to be the un-intended victem of a stabbing as a "stray" bullet might hit an innocent bystander. It's also difficult to do a drive-by knifing.

The point would be that you don't need an easily concealed hand gun to protect yourself, even in this fictional story. In this made up story a shot gun was all that was needed for even a young girl to defend her castle.

Sounds like the perfect story for people who want gun control to me!

Ooopps. Oh well, that's what I get for posting from an email. Noob!

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Gun control.........? I have no problems hitting anything I shoot at

lol lmfao morphine

I wonder if anyone saw this story in the news.
A person with a concealed carry permit uses their handgun to stop would apparently would have been a mass shooting.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880526010

found this, which closer to the bottom reveals a closer story
http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

Fortunately the murderer was snuffed before we could find out if it would've been a mass killing spree, but the investigation states it was a feuding gang related murder... maybe he was reloading to shoot those two victims again - it didn't seem like a spree was in the making - but anyway, a murderer is no more -two thumbs up from me.