Full Version: The truth about Fahrenheit 9/11
what a tard...
That guy has always been a windbag. I saw a show on A&E where I caught him lying and I haven't believed anything that has come out of his mouth since.
Do I believe our President is a moron, bordering on illiterate? Yes. Do I think the Bush family legacy will be as the worst Presidential family in the history of the United States? Yes. Do I need a lying, fat fuck to tell me that? NO! I have a brain, I can figure stuff out for myself.
If you people want a true representation of events in our country with opinions backed by facts and numbers, read a book by Al Franken. Not only will you be smarter for it, you will laugh your ass off.
Cypher
Do I believe our President is a moron, bordering on illiterate? Yes. Do I think the Bush family legacy will be as the worst Presidential family in the history of the United States? Yes. Do I need a lying, fat fuck to tell me that? NO! I have a brain, I can figure stuff out for myself.
If you people want a true representation of events in our country with opinions backed by facts and numbers, read a book by Al Franken. Not only will you be smarter for it, you will laugh your ass off.
Cypher
OMG! Al Franken????????????????????????? 
...and to think I used to love you Cy.
...and to think I used to love you Cy.
Sorry Man, I just read his last book and it was awesome. If you guys want to read another book about just how fucked up our political system is, read Dollars and Sense. It was written by a former Senator and will really open your eyes.
Cy
Cy
Cypher, I haven't told you that I love you lately enough. 
(p.s. Franken's new book rocks...we also get his radio show here - not as good, but amusing)
(p.s. Franken's new book rocks...we also get his radio show here - not as good, but amusing)
| QUOTE (NecroKitty @ Jul 7 2004, 06:17 AM) |
| Cypher, I haven't told you that I love you lately enough. |
Thanks beautiful! To be completely honest, I was very apolitical until I started taking Political Science classes. It's funny that all the Poly Sci professors I had were all liberal Democrats and all the law professors I had were moderate Republicans. (I was going to be a lawyer until I interned at a law firm for a year...at least the teacher was awesome.)
I live in the heart of Reagan Country (Orange County, CA) and it was very difficult to find any conservative Republicans amongst the professors. The tenor seems to get more conservative as my level of education progresses but as a whole colleges still seem to favor change.
XOXO
Cypher
BTW, I sat in on a lecture by my favorite Poly Sci prof a few weeks ago and he asked the class what their biggest fear should be, right here, right now. After a few minutes of writing responses on the board and summarily crossing the items off, he stepped back and asked the question again. The correct answer was, "You have more to fear from ignorance than anything else on Earth."
I love that guy.
Cypher
I love that guy.
Cypher
I will take my President with his sub 100 iq over John F. Kerry any day period. Im sure Kerry would have offered an apology to the terrorist if he was in charge when those buildings fell in NY, you know cause everything in this country that is wrong is GWB's fault .The media has you to believe that we are not making any progress over in Iraq and that we are over there for a lost cause. Believe what you want, watch the biased news and listen to countries that already dislike us because we are prosperous and do the right thing. If this was on their shoulders they would just sweep it under the rug like the honorable Bill “slick willy” Clinton. Time will only tell. Hopefully Kerry will call up Grey Davis and ask him to be his treasurer. Maybe the two can succeed and ruin not only California’s economy but the whole US. You want something to read, read Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Ann Coulters books. Franken is a joke. For one thing he was never funny and never was a good comedian. Looks the same for his political radio show Air America which is crumbling and about to fold will prove that. Hate that. Change, yeah you could say that. I was a Democrat that just got sick of what they were offering and doing with my tax dollars. You know where I stand. Im straight R in November.
Zillah
Zillah
C'mon Johnnie, give me some numbers...
Clinton came within 15 minutes and 2 cruise missiles of killing Bin Ladin years before 9/11 using selected special ops soldiers and good intelligence. Now we have no idea where the guy is with the entire US military looking for him.
I read an interview with Greg Graffin (lead singer, Bad Religion, MBA) who said, (paraphrasing) 'Five years ago the country's biggest concern was a cum stain on a blue dress, now we have to wonder if every minivan that drives up to our show is loaded with explosives. You tell me if we are better off?'
I don't agree with everything the Democratic party does, I don't think anybody should follow any one party blindly. Get out and meet your candidate, know what they are truly about and then vote.
I will tell you when I lost my faith in the Bush administration. Last year during the first quarter Bush announced that the economy was in recovery because he created thousands of new jobs during the fourth quarter of the previous year. The fourth quarter, are you fucking kidding me? UPS alone hires 40,000 people during the fourth quarter for Christmas help, people who go back to their normal lives after the holidays. Then the report for the following quarter comes out and lo and behold we were still in a recession.
Nobody is 100% right, nobody is 100% wrong. Do I think Kerry is going to make a good President? I don't know, nobody does. The problem is that I don't think anybody will do a worse job than Bush.
Cypher
ps: Is Coulter the crazy one and Limbaugh the drug addict or is it the other way around?
Clinton came within 15 minutes and 2 cruise missiles of killing Bin Ladin years before 9/11 using selected special ops soldiers and good intelligence. Now we have no idea where the guy is with the entire US military looking for him.
I read an interview with Greg Graffin (lead singer, Bad Religion, MBA) who said, (paraphrasing) 'Five years ago the country's biggest concern was a cum stain on a blue dress, now we have to wonder if every minivan that drives up to our show is loaded with explosives. You tell me if we are better off?'
I don't agree with everything the Democratic party does, I don't think anybody should follow any one party blindly. Get out and meet your candidate, know what they are truly about and then vote.
I will tell you when I lost my faith in the Bush administration. Last year during the first quarter Bush announced that the economy was in recovery because he created thousands of new jobs during the fourth quarter of the previous year. The fourth quarter, are you fucking kidding me? UPS alone hires 40,000 people during the fourth quarter for Christmas help, people who go back to their normal lives after the holidays. Then the report for the following quarter comes out and lo and behold we were still in a recession.
Nobody is 100% right, nobody is 100% wrong. Do I think Kerry is going to make a good President? I don't know, nobody does. The problem is that I don't think anybody will do a worse job than Bush.
Cypher
ps: Is Coulter the crazy one and Limbaugh the drug addict or is it the other way around?
Cypher is right!
| QUOTE (cypher @ Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM) |
| C'mon Johnnie, give me some numbers... Clinton came within 15 minutes and 2 cruise missiles of killing Bin Ladin years before 9/11 using selected special ops soldiers and good intelligence. |
Close only counts in horsehoes and hand grenades. You left out the part about Clinton turning down offers from the Sudanese government to hand over Bin Laden to the United States.
| QUOTE (cypher @ Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM) |
I read an interview with Greg Graffin (lead singer, Bad Religion, MBA) who said, (paraphrasing) 'Five years ago the country's biggest concern was a cum stain on a blue dress, now we have to wonder if every minivan that drives up to our show is loaded with explosives. You tell me if we are better off?' |
I hope you're not blaming Bush for the 9/11 attacks. I blame the Clinton administration. For 8 years the Clinton administration did what they could to basically destroy the defense budget. FBI agents were trying to fight through government imposed walls, handcuffed by government imposed restrictions and starved for basic information technology.
And let's not forget the terrorist attacks which happened under Clinton's watch:
1. The first WTC attack on 2/26/93. Clinton did nothing. He didn't even visit the site. He also allowed this attack to be classified as a criminal act by individuals, even though the mastermind of the attack was Ramzi Youssef who, by the way was an Iraqi intelligence agent.
2. 10 months after the inital WTC attack, there was the attack in Mogadishu on american military forces who were in the country to bring food to starving Somalis.
3. The 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudia Arabia. This was done by Iranian and Palestinian terrorists acting on behalf of Al-Qaeda. The Saudi government refused to cooperate in finding those responsible - the Clinton administration did nothing about it.
4. 1998 - the year of the Lewinsky, Al-Qaeda blew up the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Over 200 people were killed and over 6,000 injured. Clinton's response? The missile strike of the medicine factory and an EMPTY terrorist camp.
Despite the above, EVERY year that these attacks occurred, the Democratic leaders supported bills to cut US intelligence funding and other funding for CIA operations.
Additionally, I think it was 1995 when Al Gore was appointed to head a task force to tighten aiport security. That task force's key reccomendation which might have prevented 9/11, was rejected by the White House on fears of racial profiling.
Who would have thought that Al gore was actually able to come up with a novel idea? And then for that idea only to fall upon deaf ears.
Like you, I certainly do not agree with everything the Republican party does and I certainly do not vote one party blindly. But do I think we will be better off with Bush for the next four years? DEFINITELY.
| QUOTE (cypher @ Jul 7 2004, 01:10 PM) |
| I will tell you when I lost my faith in the Bush administration. Last year during the first quarter Bush announced that the economy was in recovery because he created thousands of new jobs during the fourth quarter of the previous year. The fourth quarter, are you fucking kidding me? UPS alone hires 40,000 people during the fourth quarter for Christmas help, people who go back to their normal lives after the holidays. Then the report for the following quarter comes out and lo and behold we were still in a recession. |
As for the economy? Considering what happened on 9/11, I think the economy is in pretty damn good shape. Especially of late. The GDP has grown by more than 5% in the last 3 quarters. (Which is the fastest rate of growth in 20 years.) There have been 1.5 million jobs created and steady job gains in the last 10 months.
Without boring you with Kerry's voting record on national security issues and defense spending, I think this country will be much better off and safer with Bush for the next 4 years.
No, I don't blame the economy on Bush, I am an educated man and I understand the cyclical nature of our ecenomical system. I do think you need to realize that the 1.5 million new jobs are not really new jobs, but for the most part people that were laid off simply got thier old jobs back, some at lower wages than they previously had. I may be mistaken, but I believe there are still millions of unemployed people that had jobs before Bush took over. At the current rate, during both Bush administrations, they will have created not one net job for this country.
I believe Ramseh Yusef is spending life in prison on Rikers Island, so I wouldn't call that doing nothing...I'm sure he enjoys the shower sessions.
As for the congressional support, For the majority of his tenure, Clinton presided over a Republican Congress. If they really felt it was in the best interests of the country they could have forced the issue differently.
IMO, we have gone way too far too preserve the civil rights of individuals, regardless of race or religion. Up until 9/11 the worst terrorist act on US soil was perpetrated by a dis-illusioned redneck. The problem is that we have a Constitution that could never have envisioned society as it is today. That is the downfall of a strict interpretation of a deliberately broad-minded document. BTW, it was not a liberal administration that said we couldn't use racial profiling, it was the Supreme Court of the United States. Right or wrong, it now has set precendence and it will take a different sitting panel to change it.
I am glad this is opening debate, as the only voice that is wrong is the one that isn't heard, especially as it pertains to politics.
Cypher
I believe Ramseh Yusef is spending life in prison on Rikers Island, so I wouldn't call that doing nothing...I'm sure he enjoys the shower sessions.
As for the congressional support, For the majority of his tenure, Clinton presided over a Republican Congress. If they really felt it was in the best interests of the country they could have forced the issue differently.
IMO, we have gone way too far too preserve the civil rights of individuals, regardless of race or religion. Up until 9/11 the worst terrorist act on US soil was perpetrated by a dis-illusioned redneck. The problem is that we have a Constitution that could never have envisioned society as it is today. That is the downfall of a strict interpretation of a deliberately broad-minded document. BTW, it was not a liberal administration that said we couldn't use racial profiling, it was the Supreme Court of the United States. Right or wrong, it now has set precendence and it will take a different sitting panel to change it.
I am glad this is opening debate, as the only voice that is wrong is the one that isn't heard, especially as it pertains to politics.
Cypher
Cypher, correct me if I am wrong but you sound like a Kerry supporter. If this is correct, tell me what Kerry will do to right the so-called "wrongs" you have pointed out.
You guys are way over my head for the most part as you obviously have much higher educations but I do understand the economy part, well mostly anyways. The slowdown in the economy is like you said cy a very cyclic thing and changes continuously, often despite efforts by the government. So many things govern it that from my view it's impossible to say whether Bush has really made a dent in 9/11 economic damages. The internet boom of the 90's has subsided in addition to the increasing number of jobs being lost to overseas markets. Can anything really be done to replace the jobs and the business lost by these two trends?- I don't really know. Personally I think you would have to have a drastic idealogical and social shift for there to be a truly effective increase in jobs, rather than just government programs and initiatives. And is another tech boom really all that likely?- maybe there are some new radically different types of products or technology coming out within the next decade or so that will provide a new frontiers but I do not really keep up with that sort of stuff. I unfortuantely miss the election by one day as my birthday is Nov. 8, but in one sense I am glad because I don't really care for either of the candidates and havent the time to really investigate which if either I would vote for.
all of you vote for me when i run for president.
I don't know RD, I am not educated enough about him or what his goals are as president yet to make a determination.
I will tell you that I didn't vote for Arnold in CA because of the Democrat's decision to give illegal aliens free valid drivers licenses (a move he has since reversed).
Cypher
I will tell you that I didn't vote for Arnold in CA because of the Democrat's decision to give illegal aliens free valid drivers licenses (a move he has since reversed).
Cypher
i do not know much about money, i grew up poor so we did not care much about the economy. but i know what i see, the gas prices are up, which makes everything that has to be moved more expensive. the factories are/have left the country, and are leaving people job less. it makes me sad to see a 40 yo. ex-factory worker working at Mc D's. i know that there are other jobs out there but not around here. i am lucky that i got a job driving local. this area has lost allot of work and the young are fleeing in droves to atl. and las vegas. it is truly sad. the city of buffalo is in bankrupt and getting ready to fold in to the county. the great factories that were on the lake died the only thing that we have left is american axle, chevy and ford. it horrible to see a guy happy to be making 10.50 ph and guys lining up by the hundreds to work picking up garbage. i do not know allot about politics and see the same results... the president do not give a shit about us. neither does any politician. everyone is out for themselves. i really do not like either political candidate. bush is the better choice over kerry he seems to be a dork, i do not think anyone would help the middle class.
oh also to the economic area of this... i have seen job growth... very little that pays well but allot in tim hortons and star-bucks. the people are just settling for what they have to deal with...
oh also to the economic area of this... i have seen job growth... very little that pays well but allot in tim hortons and star-bucks. the people are just settling for what they have to deal with...
GWB supporting the local economy. http://www.wral.com/news/3496711/detail.html Click on the video of the little girls lemonade stand.
Zillah
Zillah
I feel sorry for people in that position Silver. My father was in the same spot, he didn't plan for retirement and was fired on his 60th birthday. After 3 tours in Vietnam and nearly 30 years in the military he retired as a Master Sgt. and couldn't live on the retirement checks alone.
The job he got after retirement was traveling around the world and raising the level of security on all the embassies we have. Ironically he was fired because his position was swallowed by the Department of Homeland Security. He has since landed on his feet but it was tough for a year.
The best device the federal govt has to create jobs is through tax breaks and even then you are guessing that the companies benefiting from them are going to hire more people. Total crapshoot.
You were half right when you said nobody cares. They only care if you vote.
Cypher
The job he got after retirement was traveling around the world and raising the level of security on all the embassies we have. Ironically he was fired because his position was swallowed by the Department of Homeland Security. He has since landed on his feet but it was tough for a year.
The best device the federal govt has to create jobs is through tax breaks and even then you are guessing that the companies benefiting from them are going to hire more people. Total crapshoot.
You were half right when you said nobody cares. They only care if you vote.
Cypher
i want to see this movie when i can get a chance.
i wont give him nut sweat to see anything that ass has to say...
im only 16 and cant vote yet but i still have an educated opinion about 9-11 and clinton. the republicans brought out the whole monica bs. it was wrong for clinton but it should of never become any of our business.. republicans got there way and had clinton in court and keepin from his job cuz he wanted a quickie.. bush... i think handled 9-11 very well but he couldnt help himself, and is now engaged in another war where his country and every other country questions him.. the motives for the war changed . he even has his own supporters beginning to question him..
but again im 16 and i prolly overlooked somethings but thats my opinion.
but again im 16 and i prolly overlooked somethings but thats my opinion.
| QUOTE (eulogy @ Jul 17 2004, 10:20 PM) |
| it was wrong for clinton but it should of never become any of our business.. |
The president getting a blow job in the oval office is everyone's business.
Headline....
| QUOTE |
| John Kerry Rocked by Affair Claim |
Apparently their have been some democratic party like charges against John Kerry. So far I dont believe these charges to be true. I dont believe any charges are true until proven so or unless the evidence is just overwhelming. But I wanted to point out some responses from Kerry supporters to this claim.
| QUOTE |
| Did Kerry have a fling with an intern? In many ways, I don't care. Having an illicit tryst doesn't automatically mean you can't be effective as a political leader. The press always runs wild with these stories because they get people all riled up. Usually, no one in the press addresses the question of whether this sort of information is useful to the voting populace. Most often it isn't useful or relevant so much as it is tantalizing and, therefore, profit-generating for the media. |
Having a tryst? The man is married for Gods sake. Does nobody in this damn country have any morals or standards anymore? Anything and everything is now ok in this country. Our forefathers would spit on us all for where this country has gone in 200 short years.
How does Mrs. Ketchup feel about Kerry and if it truely was infidelity? Ahh hell, doesnt really matter what she feels, hes running for president, fuck her.
| QUOTE (realdeal @ Jul 17 2004, 11:38 PM) | ||
The president getting a blow job in the oval office is everyone's business. |
hell yeah that would have been a great porn...
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