I've still yet to understand "why" Druid wouldnt have kept the {MOB} clan going himself since "he" actually owns the clan. So in all technicallity couldnt he run the {MOB} you guys/gals used to know? I dont know if he wants to or if he has the time to or means to.But isnt that option out there or is this forum eventually going to disappear and become a memory?

It is a bit confusing. I think that as soon as you made your post someone pulled your access pretty quickly because I think I saw that your status was changed but I can't be positive. What I do know is that I am 100% positive a couple/few days later you showed as a MOB member. It was after 2 weeks from your post that your status was then changed to a non-member.

We wanted to allow more time for you because you are very well liked by everyone and we hoped you'd reconsider now that some of us are getting Front Lines up and running and exploring some other things that may interest you. I think this boils down to status switchings and poor timing.

You were certainly jumped on unfairly by a very small number of MOB members (2?) who have quickly, and sincerely apologized.


I can dig into your removal issue further but I am pretty sure you don't really give a shit. I wish you would have tried to get in again later and at least seen the well wishes, etc. You certainly deserved that .

Oh well, this way it will give all the others here much more Puppy Chow for the Drama Dog.
Seroiusly, after another 6 months when we crash and burn and disban, What the hell will you people talk about?


To Undead: I was really getting into our comic discussions. Hope all is well.

To Hellfighter (the brother I never had but always fought with): A wedgie.



Sorry for the interuption, Let the bashing begin! Now that I posted here I'm sure I'll be

im not really trying to get involved with this whole battle,ive just always felt like this is home and enjoyed the conversations here-hell i have enough on my plate.i do however ,feel bad for david,this is not how anyone who practicaly orchestrated the first COD {MOB} team to #1 should be treated and the same goes for druid as well.i do miss the conversations snot ,just havent seen any over there i wanted to comment on,start the topic.

and why were you banned? there has to be a reason maester?

[quote name='maester' post='172464' date='04/15/08 6:15pm'] I would rather stay away from there. Thanx for the quick answer though. [/quote] and why were you banned? there has to be a reason maester? [/quote]





Your guess is good as mine I was playing fine then my wireless connection went out so I pinged out then when I went back to join it says you have been banned from this server.So your asking the wrong person why he was banned because he has no idea.I played in the rifles ctf server for more then a week with no problems until I posted here. Then boom I got banned from the server.

Druid, you are correct some members of the new forums did post that they wished people would not post over here. It was their opinions and their own personal views that spawned it. I dont think that any of the admins will delete a post in the near future so up it stays. I really hope that no one is giving people shit for posting over here as I dont really see the point. It seems to me that that would be a very quick way to lose a member.

Hamma, that saying has been in their since timbo here left. That being said, you built an amazing team on UO. I would like to thank you for all your effort and I was really dissapointed in the way you were treated.

Maester, I will look into why you were banned. It would be very disturbing to find out that you were banned for no reason.

As for the MOB whore who posted on the other site, I would like to think that they would come forward and Identify themselves. But in the meantime, my bet is on Diesel.

Wow this will be my last post about this subject

Hammatime i do feel sorry for your loss. Wtf disrespect are you talking about? because we reply back to your gay insulting post at your fellow mob members?
Stop being such a pussy. What do you expect when you come with stupid comments about ellite and cod4 teams insulting your fellow members? Flowers..
First few times nobody reply to you because of a nice gesture and thinking is no harm at all or simply we just ignore you but when it comes to 4th time and Slimshady and Me told you off.What do you do?Instead to be a man and move on for insulting {MOB}team more then 1 occasion you leave the clan turning your back to your uo friends.
Does that sounds right to you? i mean for just a incident instead to see why that happened you just leave pff and trust me if you wold not start with your stupid post nothing of this would it hapent.How many times did we talk in the past few years? None.How many times did we disagree to any post over the past 3 years? None we always respected and congratulate UO team even if we did not play in the team but we where happy for your team because the end of the day is only one name at the top {mob},but you always post gay stupid comments about our cod4 team or specific people haw is that fair?? So who's fault is that this happened?and stop acting like your the victim and move on.

"You were certainly jumped on unfairly by a very small number of MOB members (2?) who have quickly, and sincerely apologized"

Now i don't want to create drama here or more shiet then it is but they where only 2 people who posted Slim and Me because some of the players felt irritating for your stupid posts and it looks that every week is another one so they ask themselves is this shiet ever going to end? But trust me they are loads more then 2 people on this.
And i Have to say i NEVER apologize to Hamatime and never will just for the fact that we have done nothing wrong then speaking for a group of people. I am far from perfect but when i know i am right and you irritate my friends really don't give a fuck i will tell you in face.
I think if fact he should be the one apologizing for what he has done.
And just to make it clear i have nothing against you and i never did and you do have some true friends in {MOB}who care for you but but who's fault is that you never check the forums because like Cpt. Snot said you have full mob membership for 2 weeks i know i cannot prove that (Druid)but they are people who checked his membership and saw that he was still in mob after 10 days.End of story.

Thank you very much.If I get unbanned that would be great if not thats fine also I have other servers I can play on.Im not bringing any drama into this topic that I havent already.I may have said some things earlier in the topic but thats done and over with.{MOB} has some great people.Like I said though I posted my feelings over on this forum went and played for about an hour then my wireless connection game me the boot so I lagged out then when I tried rejoining it says you have been banned from this server.I havent said but maybe 3 words in the ctf server and I played with tagenrog most of the time so he can vouch that I didnt cause any problems.Im pretty sure my ban consists of this post and the fact that I havent been to silenced about me being booted out of {MOB} in which I felt I was done wrong but hey the past is the past and im over it.I just wanna play and go on with life.

That's the exactly opposite of the point I've been trying to make all along.
No one runs MOB and certainly no one OWNS MOB.
The fact someone has "admin" by their name doesn't mean they are any more important than any other member.
It sure as hell doesn't mean they suddenly don't have to answer to the rest of the members.
If a member ask why a decision was made and doesn't get an answer, to me that points to a huge problem.
Then again, that's just me and apparently isn't a view held by most current members of MOB now.
So MOB has changed from what it use to be, into something very different.
If everyone is happy with that, so be it, play and have fun.
People should just be honest and upfront enough to admit whats going on.

The issue that Shadow so eloquently accuses me of handling as if I enjoyed plowing the brown highway was very, very basic.

We had admins who felt because they had the word "admin" by their name, they could suddenly admin, not just the technical aspects of the servers, but they could now make decisions for the clan without consulting the council.

This vestiged itself in a variety of forms, from deleting posts that should never be deleted, to moving threads out of public view. And I don't want people to think I'm jumping on Steele here, OOM carried a whole new attitude into the managing of the forums. If he didn't like the way a discussion was going, he pulled it. That attitude stunned me , and others, and it made us feel the clan was heading in a wrong direction.

My references to the "elite" were never meant to disparage the great players on the COD4 and COD2 team, and I'm sorry that those words were interpreted by a few in that way. I challenge everyone to review the record by simply searching for all the times I've used "elite" in a thread. Go up to "Search" and type in "HammaTime" and search on the term "elite."

Reading those posts makes me think the only pussy in the room is the space where Shadow's balls should be hanging.

The vast majority of my posts were to further a discussion about the direction of MOB. The great tension that has always existed between the "elite" TWL competitors in the clan and the Regs who are here for fun and enjoyment has caused friction since long before BSS split away.

The post that got Shadow's panties in a wad was my attempt at humor. Perhaps if people had read the majority of posts between Hellfighter, Cross and I, they would know that I make feeble attempts at humor whenever I can. In the decisive thread, someone had found their way to these old forums when they couldn't find the servers (they had disappeared, without explanation, for days on end). I kept expecting someone with knowledge of the situation would answer these hapless inquiries. We basically were getting tired of answering the phone only to find it was the wrong number, and we were starting to get a bit punchy. Real Deal made a joke about a new form of security, something the newbie would have no idea what he was talking about. It was just the kind of humor I love, and the type of humor that makes this damn place feel like home. These guys are the masters after all.

So, I foolishly decide to add something further and I write,

I think they decided to make them invisible so only the elite could find them ... with their elite night vision goggles of course!

Did I think sensitive little boys like Shadow and Slim would read this and think I was taking a stab at them? Absolutely not. After all, if you read all my posts you will see just the opposite, I was SUPPORTIVE of maintaining the ELITE within MOB for competitive purposes. Where things had gotten messed up in MOB is that those with admin powers were now behaving as if they were the ELITE RULERS of the clan. Huge difference here.

But, Slim and Shadow felt that their delicate feelings were hurt, so they decide to jump me in a public forum. Real class.

What put me over the edge and made me realize that the OtherMob was not a place I would ever go again was Shadow's subsequent post. He slams Hellfighter after he came to my defense when he asked who the "we" were who no longer wanted me in the clan. Shadow responded,

'We' is we for example is me and him that's a 'WE' ,but is not just 'WE' they are many of us who he was speaking for but you wont know that and never will so don't really know why talk if you don't know ?

And there you have it, two members who think they can speak for the entirety of the clan all because the system has now broken down.

Shadow's last line is one worth hanging on to:

And just take a chill pill and relax calm down a bit and in the future get some facts then talk ,that sometimes stops embarrassed people


This is classic. Too bad he is so willing to hand out advice to others, and yet it is advice that he can't take himself!

Unlike some others here, I had registered at the new forums, something I felt I was obligated to do because Crazy Canuck had asked me to help out in the final matches of UO as he gallantly tried to get the team back to the #1 slot. I didn't feel I could wear the MOB tags in public if I wasn't a registered member at the new forums. Allegiance can be so confusing at times!

But, Slim and Shadow failed to discover this and instead, they jumped me in the OtherMob council. I can only guess that is why my access was pulled so quickly. They needed a private room where they could rant and rave.

Unfortunately, if my access had been restored, no one ever bothered to tell me. Once I saw I had been reduced to forum member status, I never tried to gain access to MOB council threads again. I did go back and look, but what I saw was they had reduced Cross to forum member status as well. That was the icing on the cake for me.

Actually when I said 48hrs. I was trying to give whoever as much leeway as possible.
When I checked the member list after it was mentioned how quick Hamma's account had been switched.
It could have been as early as the next morning, the latest it could have been was 2 days later.
So I said 48hr's to give whoever the benefit of the doubt.
You or anyone else can claim I'm wrong about this but to me it's pretty obvious what happen.
Hamma's acct was quickly switched from MOB to forum member.
Sometime during the next day or two he mentioned to someone about how quickly his access had been removed.
That person or someone else brought up to one of the admins about how abnormally fast his access had been remove and it was switched back to MOB.
Then around 2 weeks later, it was switched back from MOB to forum member.


All I know is I checked it soon after he quit and his account had already been changed.
You or whoever else can claim I'm mistaken or a lying piece of shit if it makes you fell better.
It honestly doesn't make a lot of difference to me.
Because I know and whoever did it, knows that I'm right.
So that's enough for me.
I even get to have the satisfaction in knowing even if this whole thing was an honest mistake, no one had the balls to come forward an say so.
Someone could have easily said, I switched it but then switched it back after so-n-so asked me to.
Nope, that would be to easy.
So again, not a single word is said about something.
Why?
Don't ask me because I don't have the answer.
Whoever does know doesn't think they have to explain themselves, which sadly enough seems to be correct.

I think what most are concerned with is the game types they like and the friends they have made and game with. Most dont care about the bullshit that is or has happened.

You or whoever else can claim I'm mistaken or a lying piece of shit if it makes you fell better

I am not saying that at all Druid
What i am trying to say is that i only say what i got told and i never check his membership status because don't really care but from what i got told and what other members have seen (some of them are his friends) they said that he had his membership extended from 1 week as usual to 2 weeks .That's All


"Did I think sensitive little boys like Shadow and Slim"

Sensitive Lmao you left the clan for exactly 2 posts agings your attitude towards the clan if we where wrong you should have said
Hey boys is only a joke no mean anything but you did not you left the clan instead

And for you to know my only post against you was when you said that the boat is sinking and is sinking fast i replay to that

"well if the boat is sinking so fast get the fuck out" Big fucking deal
For that you left the clan?? muhaha and you called me sensitieve.?Think again

"And there you have it, two members who think they can speak for the entirety of the clan all because the system has now broken down"
If you read my post it said CLEAR some of the players NOT the hole clan.Is a big deference why create a big issue when in fact it isn't.?

"But, Slim and Shadow failed to discover this and instead, they jumped me in the OtherMob council. I can only guess that is why my access was pulled so quickly. They needed a private room where they could rant and rave"

Wow if you don't realize that's our forums i don't need a special place to rant and rave if i would why i am saying all this here? All what have we done there we speak open the same as here nobody ranted or raved wtf are you talking about again? Is this here a privet Room to you?

Anyway believe what you want to believe that's your choice don't really care and trust me this shiet here is not worth my time so i stop here not replyng to all your post,they are more important thinks to worry then you leaving your friends for a post .Have a good day!

"and I'm sorry"

Apologies accepted We all do mistakes now move on because we did few months ago

I certainly don't agree with the way Slim said things or the follow up from Shadow but I do know that I felt like several posts (not just the on that set Slim off or from one person) seemed to be directed at basically the three of us. I'd very rarely if ever seen "elite" referred to until we brought it up in council that we felt like that's what we should get back to. I wasn't brought into MOB because I was a good guy or because I made a donation here and there. I was brought in because I was good enough to help one of our TWL teams. Same with Slim and Shadow. When I came here that's what MOB was for (with very few exceptions). As time moved on this seemed a little more and a little more lax. Not that anyone that's been brought in are bad guys. Please don't misunderstand me. I like them all and can't find fault with any of them.

The thing we knew going into COD4 was if we didn't start the min we put up servers looking for new talent we'd miss out. Just like COD2. And we did. We didn't recruit a single new player to our team. Part of that is because we had such good players in house. That's an awesome thing. Had several players not basically come out of retirement though we would be in trouble I think. We knew going in though that if a player was good enough to crack our line up that they were not going to want to wait around for months on end for us to make them a clan member.

So we said all that in the council and asked that we get back to it. Some agreed some disagreed. From the way the votes have gone it appears that most didn't agree with us. And that's fine. That's part of the give and take of clan life I think. I don't hold ill will toward anyone for wanting to make it more about friendship than skill. Long term I don't think it will be great for our competitive teams but that's not that important to most of the people outside of our 8-10 players. So we move on.

I don't think there was ever a negative comment about the people that may not have the skill to join our teams. But to us it did appear that many comments were made regarding the "elite" teams and it wasn't just after we've moved. It dates back to our posting regarding this. Maybe we misread it but it did appear that way to us. I've ignored it because I could care less. I'm not that thin skinned. But I can see how Slim and Shadow saw it as directed at us and took offense to it. Hopefully we can all let it go and move on. We're doing great as a team and everyone's happy about their buddies being in MOB. Hopefully it will stay that way....

I know that I made MOB without the skill.

And for that I thank my friends. (who are actually still my friends)

I do regret blowing up at Slim for blasting Hamma. Slim knows he is my bud and actually Saucy too. it just rang wrong with me. I felt someone had to stick up for Hamma.



I also know that I am one of the reasons the requirements changed. And maybe for the better because look at where the teams are now.



-Jason

And so, you obviously didn't bother to search through the forums to see my comments regarding elite players. There is no need to dredge all of this up again. It is simple for anyone who wants to review the record to simply search on the term "elite" in the original MOB private forums.

I made the mistake of conflating the term elite. In my posts, I supported the idea of keeping the TWL teams pure and only staffed with the very best of the best. Where I made a big mistake was to use the word "elite" to speak of the decisions that were being made without consulting the rest of MOB. I certainly didn't conflate those terms in my own mind, and no, Geno, I certainly wasn't attacking you. I wasn't even thinking of any individuals at all, for it seemed as if rather suddenly there were decisions being made by an unknown power.

If my comments were viewed as attacks, they were intended to attack the concept that the clan was now governed by self-appointed elite members who could remove whole threads from view and appoint new members without a clan vote. That concept was clearly never going to work for me.

http://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/

lol. Silver that rocks.

that was my fav game back in the day...

Maester, I went back through the forums and you were banned from everything due to your situation with Redkilla I think was his name.

Thank you Ktulu for the quick answer.Like I said I wasnt worried about it just seemed strange the ban was just issued this week for something that happened months ago that I proved was a lie but hey thats fine I got other servers to play on. Anyway thank you all for those of you who stuck by and said hey you were done wrong and to people like steel and old man mike im sorry that you feel the way you do but thats your feelings and choice.Good luck to {MOB}

Our 'parents' are relieved with the quiet in the house lately!!!!
Oh Mr.Rocket,lol..... I knew you couldn't completely break away.... I return the wedgie with 'chinese wrist burns' [ well thats what we called it in Limey-land; its a prank we did as kids to each other- get the others wrist in your two hands and do a corkscrew grind with both-yowwwwch! ]

Anyway WE HAVE tons of stuff to talk about in here as you can see-and always will. There's maybe a coupla others 'overthere' who were hoping this place would've been rendered defunct after the exodus, but everyone around here is having sincere interest in the topics raised of whatever nature.

I'm sure you are banging your head against the wall in your self-control in not replying to my outrageous, scandalous, insane, baiting, raving-lunatic, detached-from-reality posts in the War on Terror Forum . I'm not sure what you feel is stopping you from re-entering the fray in there. It's always an educative process with your 'resourceful' perspective showing up in there. Anyway-your choice to not show up-> I suppose.

If anything, head over to DD [Death before Dishonour] dedicated servers once in awhile where I show up on occasion - pure infantry/jeeps CTF excitement [probably has cod4 similarities for you to enjoy]

See ya

Also just to point out this is what everyone was talking about when they said {MOB} turned into a dictatorship and a 1 sided clan.They dont listen to there clan members anymore and for that they will eventually bomb out and disassemble unless someone else can take over who sees what {MOB} is really turning into.

I would have to disagree with that.
MOB's membership and player base is wide enough an so segregated into distinct groups that it helps to limit the damage done by the silly actions of a few people.
It certainly isn't going to cause MOB to fold any time soon.
The only real lasting effect is some people are going to remember how others were bullied or they themselves were lied to.
That sense of mistrust will only linger and randomly cause problems in the future since no one is willing to be honest an upfront enough to deal with it.

Good point and sorry to the {MOB} who actually listened to my case much appreciated.

Classic example of how things work now.
Someone is Supposedly banned over an argument that happen 8 months ago and had nothing to do with MOB.
Call me crazy
Call me stupid
I don't see anything thing about that in the server rules, not even the New-N-Improved ones posted at
DruidIsABigMeanieSoWeAreMovingTheWebSite.com

I really have to ask, how many times are people going to let stupid shit be thrown up as justification for other peoples mis-deads.
I can easily name 6 other times something similar has happened.
It's the Modus Operandi used again an again to conveniently justify what a few people or sometimes a single person wanted done.

Oh well, as long as everyone is happy and you're all one big family.

Im not exactly sure what happened and really dont care anymore. I was told to put tags on so I did 2 days later told to remove them because of something that happened in my Soldier of Fortune 2 clan that I was co-owner of. I posted my case showed my proof and they still wanted nothing to do with it so to this day im banned from there servers for something that was none of there buisness.Im sure you can look it up in the forums here Druid.