just curious when it'll stop

i dont know if some people have some personal vendetta against us/me or what. perhaps im going too far with this post too, but im curious when we wont be kicked anymore for trivial reasons.

51Jason....(short version),

I was not on when you got kicked, but just a little 411(info) for you. A few nights ago, I was on the COD2 server when your group was on. I was on a different computer and was not wearing my MOBRegs tags. There were no other MOB members on-line and your clan was team stacking major. I sent a message telling you not to and so did another person and you guys stated you were auto-assigned. I watched certain members on your team wait to get into the game so you could all be on the same team. At one point one member went on the opposing team. That night several players were complaining saying that it was BS and that its unfair. A few of your players left then returned later. Being on vent together, I am sure you can tell each other when the teams are unfair, yet you choose not to.

Your clan are excellent players, I only wish I was that good at COD2..and believe me, when I kill you in the game...I pat myself on the back...LOL.

The problem is that this server is public and I watched the complaints the other night. Just because no one from MOB was visible on the screen, your clan team stacked causing problems. Now should we let your clan rule the server and lose potential members because of this? My personal opinion is that if your team likes to rule a server, that you should start your own server for COD2. This way, being that your team is so good, it can play other people that just want to get killed time after time when they spawn. Or play teams that are equally good. Or invite other clans to challenge you.

Hey Jay, no hard feelings, but turn the tables around...Say this was your Clans server and we came in all the time and team stacked causing constant complaints. Would you just sit back and do nothing????

Just some food for thought....

We have 3 CoD2 servers sponsored by serverxtreme.com already, so if we truly wished to "teamstack" then we would do so there without fear of consequences. In fact several times a week we hold a "locked pub" where we invite players from several notable teams, and from our multitude of regular scrim partners, and have a REAL game of CTF. Only the autoassign option for team changing is available, and i suggest if you truly think team stacking is a problem in your server, you would be wise to consider this method of resolving it, rather than resorting to kicking the only good players from it.

Each and every area51 member autoassigns when they join a public server....end of story. We pub for fun, and it's unfortunate that because of our skill level, this may interfere with someone else's personal enjoyment of the game. I for one play this game once or twice a week for fun, and i thoroughly enjoy playing on a server with someone from Revelry for example who literally treat this game as a way of life. Not because they're easy to kill, quite the contrary in fact, they make me play at a much higher level and help me to improve my game.

On a similar note, despite what you might think, i for one ALWAYS change teams to make them more even. I could care less if i'm playing with or against other area51 members, because i'm just there to have fun, and nothing more. When we want to play on the same team, we scrim. Pubs are simply a way to unwind.

I realize this is "your server, and you can do with it what you please" but continuing to kick high caliber players will ensure that the level of competition remains mediocre at best, and quite frankly is childish and petty.

Jason,

I am not here to argue with you...I have better things to do. My point was that you clan was team stacking the other night when I was on and watching and talking to others in vent who observed it too. You were not kicked that night and for the record I have never kicked. (Thinking hmmmmmm)

I do not know who kicked you when you were playing this time or why.and there is a possibility you were not playing the other night when your team was stacking, but I am telling you your clan was teamstacking. POINT MADE??????

Hey buddy I know how auto assign works..thank you very much, and we both know how to get around it. So lets not go there.

Most people at MOB believe you guys are great players...but don't let your ego's take you down!!! Maybe you should read more of what the public says about your clan on the server.

Just tell your clan teamstacking is not aloud...whether or not MOB members are on the server!!!!....we should not have to babysit you and listen to complaints. I am sure that that will fix a great deal of the problems.

Have to go do my Nails.... Ann Landers

#1- I am not Jaison

#2- His name is spelled "Jaison"

#3- I am not your buddy, and clearly you are here to argue with me.

Babysitting your server when area51 is on is not required, you do that by choice, let's not get those 2 confused. Nothing we do on your server is wrong. Despite what you may think, we do not intentionally teamstack, nor do we use juvenile little tricks to get around the shortcomings of autoassign. When we join a server (all of us, not just me) we immediately press auto-assign. What you might construe as "cheating the system" 90% of the time is one of us alt-tabbed while the map changes. Insinuating that we knowingly cheat the autoassign system to teamstack is insulting, and puerile.

Just as you say you should not have to monitor us 24/7, we conversely should not be forced to constantly change teams to accommodate the rest of the server. As i've stated many times, we press autoassign immediately upon joining a server, and yes sometimes this leads to more area51 members on one team, than another (hence the idea of RANDOM assignment). It is asinine to think that because of our skill level, we should wait in spectator, carefully watching the teams, and then selecting the appropriate one based on the conjectural level of skill each may possess (a subjective measure i can assure you).

I would recommend taking your own advise in this matter. Just as you asked us not to let our egos get to our heads, i suggest you do the same with the power gained by running a server. You expect to run a fair and enjoyable server, and yet you wish to mandate specific rules for each individual (or in this case, group) which enters. Clearly you can see the absurdity of such an ideal.

Good Day.

can i ask 1 stupid question? what the hell is team stacking?

[quote name='.51.Eso' date='01/06/06 12:47pm' post='90364'] #1- I am not Jaison

#2- His name is spelled "Jaison"

#3- I am not your buddy, and clearly you are here to argue with me.

Hey Jason, Buddy or what ever....LOU>>>tried to be nice and tell you what happened the other day.(nothing to do with your kick..Not getting in to Romper Room with you. Obviously you cannot admit that it happened when I saw it!!!! Now I am glad someone kicked you. You may be a good player, but you have to learn how to take criticism...and improve your attitude.

Maybe you should read this when A. You grow up

B. You sober up

C. Learn How to read

Fun and enjoyable for who?? Your clan only...why don't you start reading all the posts again...and yea, if your team is stacked on one side you should show some respect and move a few players to the other...or is your ego to big???/

Eso, stop being an ass. I've been very nice to, and defended 51 clan. I don't appreciate you getting an attitude in our forums. It's a server paid for and run by the MOB clan. Auto assign or not, if you are asked to split your team up then do it. This has been a MOB rule since our MOHAA days.
I'm glad you guys choose to play on our COD2 server instead of on one of your 3 servers. I assume this is because your servers are empty and ours is always full. While you are a guest on our server we would appreciate it if you would follow our rules and go out of your way to evenly divide your team.
This goes for MOB as well. I see too much team stacking by us, too.

Just let the bastards play. They were one of the best clans in UO, it's not surprising they are kicking everyones ass at COD2. I seem to remember when members of {MOB} would go to other servers and purposely team stack(back when MOH:AA was popular).

When a few people questioned your play.
I was very outspoken to the fact of them being wrong.
Without knowing the circumstance of jaison being kicked, I can't really speak to it
but I highly doubt he should of been.
I've spoken to Jaison several times on the server and xfire, he's a good guy.
I highly doubt he did anything wrong to deserve getting kicked.


To your comment.
It is asinine to think that because of our skill level, we should wait in spectator, carefully watching the teams, and then selecting the appropriate one based on the conjectural level of skill each may possess (a subjective measure i can assure you).
The only thing asinine is how you try to dramatize something as simple as switching teams.
I could care less, if everyone hits auto assign when they join the server.
You know as well as I do auto-assign does absolutely nothing to keep teams even besides basic number of players per team, which means squat.

As for the rest of your post
In all fairness, the subject of stacking has came up several times.
The sole reason we run this server is so people, exceptional players like you and the noobish alike will have a fun place to play.
You act like we're asking you to walk through fire, not do something as simple as switch teams if they are uneven. I don't even want to hear this is some special rule just for you guys because that would be utter bullshit. The same thing has been asked of .atrox. & S8, the only difference is with them it didn't continue to be a problem.
I will happily concede the point, part of the reason it's become such an issue with 51 is because the overall skill level of your players. Some .51 have been better than others when it comes to this issue.


We expect you to split teams when you play on OUR server.

I don't want to hear....
I auto-assign so it shouldn't matter.

If you or anyone thinks stitching teams to help even them out, is to much to ask.
Then play elsewhere.

behemoth I'm sure at times they did, but guess what they were wrong.
Actually when MOB started Clan Killa , Bitch, Jew, Opp and the rest specifically when to other server to play on both teams so MOB would be on the top of both score boards.

You haven't played on the server yet, so you don't have an imformed opinion of how bad it gets at times.
With COD2 it quicky can get 10 times worse than Remagen ever did.

i highly doubt someone that wrote the posts he did, was drunk. and again, his name isnt jason.


i hate to argue at all with you druid, but some of us dont join as fast as each other, due to the qualities of our computers. and considering the fact that most people purposely choose allies because most consider those guns better... when we auto assign we do often get put on the same team, usually axis. if we notice that the teams are overly stacked and theres room on the other team, usually one of us will switch. and i must not have been there when the public was complaining about team stacking cuz i never saw any complaints. unless they did it when they were dead or team chat.

the kicking didnt have much to do with any of that though hah.
ill explain that, i wont use any names though. you can ask those on xfire if you want, no problem with me.

at the end of map1, i did a bind during the ending map screen where it shows everyones scores.
the bind says "good game" and either scrolls my name like a marquee, or types it out like a typewriter. i have 2. well, i did one of them.

map2- a member of MOB asked me not to do it. i said "may i ask why not?" he didnt respond. so i said "hey (MOB member name), can i ask why not?" again no response. so i left it alone after asking one more time with no response. i change my name half-way through that map. at the end, i dont do the bind again.

map3- at the beginning of the map i change my name back to regular and about halfway through i get kicked. i dont believe i said anything to warrant it during this map. so i come back in and ask, "why did i get kicked this time?" no response. the MOB member that i believe kicks me leaves and there are 2 others. i ask those 2 if they know why i got kicked. one says yes so i ask if i can talk to him in spec.

we go spec an i ask why and he basically says it has to do with me doing a bind and i didnt get kicked when it happened because i changed my name too fast. he was very nice about it all and i might have been harsher with him than i should have since it wasnt him that did it. he wasnt able to give me a real answer though since he didnt really know.

the member that kicked me comes back and i ask him why i got kicked. he says cuz i gave him lip. which i dont think i did. i ask why i cant do the bind and he says its like peeing in a friends pool or wrapping a friends house. which i dont understand. if the bind said something like "everyone below me are noobs", or "i own you all" or something like that i could totally understand. but it says good game. and i only do it at the end when the scoreboard comes up so its not like it takes up any of the screen and gets in the way. it doesnt lag the server at all. so im just curious why i was kicked for asking why i cant do it.
i realize its your server and i really shouldnt ask why to what a member says. but after we've been kicked so often, it gets a little irritating.

thats what this was about originally hah

Since when did we start talking in the 3rd person? And does it reall matter, you understood who was being spoken to, correct?????

So I take it setting up a spawn kill is pretty easy?

1. if you have 3 servers, then why dont you play on them? hmmm....

2. You all auto assign? thats bullshit because EVERY MAP you all are on the same teams, ALWAYS.

3. I have never seen you switch sides, even when an admin has asked.

4. It is our server, so either comply with a request made by an admin or be kicked. it is quite straight-forward.

im not referring to myself in the 3rd person. im saying his name, eso, isnt jason.
mine is. and i really dont care how you spell it.
i only understood cuz eso kept talking hah.


1. because one is an SD scrim server, two are now for CTF scrims. we have two for CTF cuz one will mess up so we use the other.
2. read my long post. i explained that. some of us have better computers than others in 51 so we join at different speeds. most people purposely choose allies for the "better guns". so when we auto, we get put on axis usually.
3. you also arent always in the server. when we are asked to swith sides, which we hardly ever are when im on, the teams are usually even so we cant.
4. when we have been kicked, or atleast when i have been kicked, no reason was given prior to the kicking.

If the one CTF server keeps "messing up" why
1.) do you still have it
2.) not change the gametype


Why not make one TDM? Just trying to understand

Why does it matter if they want to play on {MOB}'s server? I mean if a clan is playing on yours instead of theirs, you should be happy. They are helping to keep it populated, as long as they follow the rules.

I understand that there are always two sides to a story, but it seems to me as of late there have been a number of people who are getting kicked without any sort of explanation. I don't have any say in what goes on here anymore, but I know when we used to ban people from Goodfellas, they would at least get a reason. If the admin was asked why he would or wouldn't do something, they would give a reason, or at least I would. I've been in {MOB} servers where people have been kicked/banned without being given any sort of warning, and to me that's the wrong way to go about it.

The issue here is not changing teams when they become "stacked". As i've stated REPEATEDLY, i have no problem at all changing teams when they become unfair, especially when asked to do so by an admin. 95% of the time when we are in your server, most/all of MOB jump into spec immediately. I'm sure at some point while we're on we are asked to change teams or something to that effect. What you STILL fail to realize is that the rest of the server can NOT hear you while in spec, so your pleas for a fair game fall on deaf ears.

Once again, reading comprehension is key here: I agree that all of 51 on 1 team would be ludicrous, because quite frankly noone else that plays on your server can deal with it. However kicking without a warning is just as ignorant. You do realize that admins are able to change a player's team right?

Similarly, i'm not saying that "just because we hit auto-assign, it makes team stacking all the time alright". Please don't put words in my mouth. The rare occasion that a high percentage of our players end up on 1 team should not result in immediate kicking/banning etc... As guests in your server we have a right to play alongside our own team from time to time as well. What i meant by my comment about auto-assign is simply that SOMETIMES we will end up on the same team, and that's really not as big a problem as everyone is making it out to be.

I'm not sure why i continue to waste my time with this thread....i guess i'm just a sucker for e-drama

Cuz they are so good they are running some people off & some {MOB} members that pay for the server will not play at all when they join. Basically the fun is gone for everyone except them when they arrive. And from what it sounds like they arent following the rules. It appears they have been asked not to team stack often & ignore it. Even Jason said in the one post "and i must not have been there when the public was complaining about team stacking cuz i never saw any complaints. unless they did it when they were dead or team chat.
" Which to me makes it sound like the teams were stacked. If they werent, then when someone complained about it in team chat why wouldnt one of their member's have known & then would have told his mates on TS or Vent (W/E they use). Not that anyone did say anything, I wasnt there. But that statment Jason made leads me to believe they were all on the same team & would not have known if anyone did communicate in team chat cuz no 51 was on the opposite team.

youre reading too far into this. IF we were all on the same team, which i admit does happen with the auto assigning, IF they talked to us in team chat we couldnt have seen it. but i have no idea what this example is about cuz i wasnt there for it IF it did happen. dont try to twist my words to your fitting.

and about the talking while specing/dead thing, when the thing with my last kick was going on, there was a time that i did see the member that kicked me talk while he was dead, in response to a person that wasnt dead at the time.



because the person in charge of that has a busy life outside of CoD and the clan. other things are higher on his priority list. he pays for it all for us so we try not to complain much. beggars cant be choosers. this guy is one of the founders of the clan BTW, not some random person hah

Ahhh, see, this may be why you are having such a hard time understanding why people get upset. You see, we all chip in for our servers. We have our own box that we run 3 CODUO and 1 COD2 server on. That's a hefty chunk we have to pay for each month. Therefore, everyone that contributes has the right to say what they want, and some of them are pissed.

READ ME and play close attention to the part about "disrupting our servers".

I wasnt twisting your words around. I quoted exactley what you said. Bottom line, if your all on axis you wont see allies team chat! ......right?



If you werent team stacking at least one of your members WOULD have seen it. heh & meh back at ya!

thats cool that everyone chips in. but i have no problem understanding why people get upset, because people dont like being killed a lot. thats the only reason i see really.
i DONT understand though why some people are pissed. id prefer not to argue with you though, youve been cool with me.


really, how do we disrupt the server?
aside from team stacking which i think eso and myself have explained pretty well.


my main reason for this thread was to ask why we get kicked for trivial reasons such as a bind that says good game, and why arent we given a reason. i always have to come back and ask why. yes you can say you dont have to give a reason really since it is your server. but that would be kind of assholeish in my opinion. and i think thats not necessary since none of us, save for one that i know of, really havent been disrespecftul to you (all of MOB) individually, aside from playing on your (all of MOB) server and some of you not liking us for that reason.


you do have a point
but we cant change it when we dont see it

i really have nothing against you guys. i just want to not be kicked anymore

Well the fact (which has been said on a FEW occassions) that some MOB and Regs wont play on the server when 51 is on, sounds to me like a disruption.

I have said very little, if any, after my original post. MOB spoke its mind and said that you guys are staying. I did not agree with them choosing to have you guys play on the server instead of their own, but that is not my place to say. It is their server and they do whatever they please. I understand and have to abide by their decisions.

I just thought I would chime in to remind a few about a statement I made a few weeks back after a few cold ones. I don't intend to add any fuel to these petty arguements but I guess I did. SORRY.

how come they wont paly with us? im really curious. not trying to start anything.


on another note, cross was just kicked with no warning. he wasnt talking or anything.

just to let you know if you type something in spectator OR when you are dead.. live players CANNOT READ WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.. you guys love to talk in spec to us and we dont see it at all.. only one time have i seen anyone ask us to not clan stack (that was mentioned in the 2nd post i think with the guy not using his tags).. and almost every round there will be like 5 51 members on 1 team nad 2 on the other.. thats not clan stacking.. its auto assigning... i for one usually sit and wait a minute before hitting auto assign.. i just leave hte menu up.. then i click it.. so maybe thats why we think we stare at the score board waiting for the teams to be uneven.. that is very untrue... and like jaison says the majority of people in the server will pick american or russian.. leaving the people who autoassign to go to german.. and im not going to sit and constantly check the teams to see if i can switch over.. i autoassign and stay with that team unless it gets really unbalanced.. ( like 9 v 5 or something)

and once again i will state how we cannot read anything said in spec or when you are dead.. use /rcon say or be alive when trying to tell us to split up the teams.. cuz we will if you tell us... its just we never see any of the messages you guys type unless we happen to catch a line when we are dead

either that or enable the dead chat feature.. i forget the dvar for it tho

Look, this whole thing is BS. You guys know theres a problem .Some members dont want you here.That is most likely why you have been being kicked . You guys are damn good and there is a couple of you that just totally dominate. It gets a little frustrating sometimes with out 51 in the game.When some of you come in it out right becomes humiliating.That is not fun. And if some of us in the clan feel that way,Im sure there are others in the game feeling the same way. This may not be healthy for our server.......Please dont respond!!!!!!! .Put an end to this thread !!!!!!!!!

some of you have said you want good, skilled players on your server. so youre saying we may have been kicked for being too good?

you cant say we kill your server either, which i realize you just didnt, but it has been brought up. we've brough other skilled players to your server and its almost always full.

sorry for not putting an end to this. just thought id put a quick 2 cents in.

I have only seen once MOB ask one or two of us to switch teams. When that happened, there were 3-4 51 players on one side, and 1-2 on the other. The teams were even, so there was no way we could switch teams without getting autoassigned right back over again and make the teams uneven. Also, at the same time, there were 5 MOB players on the opposing side.

Also, for the MOB players that aren't willing to play when 51 players join, what are you going to do when the anticheat comes out and we're all still playing the same way we do? Are you still gonna just whine and complain when players that could improve your skill join? Playing with noobs that cant even put color in their names arent going to make you better players.

We're in CAL. We're in TWL. So sooner or later, you're going to have to face us if you plan on competing and you get up in the ranks. So I suggest playing with us now, and get better.

Dont mean to be picking fights if thats how it seems...

What has {MOB} turned into? A bunch of pussies who don't like to be beat? Pathetic. I got owned when I first started playing MOH:AA here. I didn't like it, but that was part of the game. I never bitched about getting spawn killed, I never bitched when {MOB} members would be all on one team (it happend, whether or not it was condoned, on GF). Just play the damn game.

i like this guy

I can't put colors in my name
Now that one stung

Factor you'd be a newb even if you could.

haha
just do "^then a number"
like for red: ^1XYZ
and xyz will be red. numbers 1 through 0.

Thanks guy.

Behomoth...ahhh nevermind....I got nothing to help me defend that statement.

no problem
you can add multiple colors to a name obviously.

color codes

^1 = red
^2 = green
^3 = yellow
^4 = dark blue
^5 = light blue (cyan)
^6 = magenta
^7 = white

you forgot 8 9 and 0

0 is black. not sure about 8 and 9. one of them is grey.

^8 was suppose to be different colors depending on the team
^9 is grey
Neither of them worked in COD
They may of been fixed in COD2 but I haven't bothered to check

they both worked in cod grey wasnt much different than white though
they work for cod2 as well

Well, I just got kicked for no apparent reason again. I was on brecourt, and the only 51 player in there. At the end of the map i just got kicked. Did not even tell me why i was kicked either. BTW, if you get kicked before the map changes does it get recorded in the stats. <== Please stop kicking me, unless you have a reason. kthx

The admins that were in the server were Genetics, CudaKidd, and leadmagnet. So i dunno if you gave them admin power or not. But please tell me why i got kicked or at least a warning. This has happend more then once.

Also, I dont think its very far to tell us to get off the same team , when you guys do it. lol Limit and I were on the same team and we were told to split up, when 3 or 4 MOB guys were on the same team. t

Do you know who kicked you? And 2 people does not constitute team stacking, you are correct.

I guess for some people I have to paint a picture.
The issue isn't so much about clan team stacking as it is about unfair teams in general.
The sole reason clans stacking is addressed is because it's the only one identifiable.
Non-clan players stacking teams can't readily be solved or addressed by anything but on a one-by-one personal basis.
Clan stacking on the other hand, is readily apparent for the simple reason of clan tags.
So it's addressed in our server rules.
BTW, in case it comes up.
I randomly download log files to run a script which tracks players and smurfing.
If it becomes apparent any clan smurfs to bypass the rule regarding clan stacking, it results in a ban.
The ban isn't only for the players involved but the clan in general.
In 2+ years this has only happened twice.

There are several reasons this rule is in place, an attempt to keep the teams even is only one of them.
Some of the other reasons, apply more to our COD:UO server which are objective in nature but still apply here.
For example, let say 3-4 members of team {whatever} are playing on the stock BAS server.
The fact they are most likely on TS or Vent gives them a large advantage over other players who are just on the server to play and have fun. If the fact they are using VOIP allowing them to play more as a team then the other other side. We have the right to request they split teams.

Another reason we request clans to split teams is because we don't appreciate clans using OUR PUBLIC server as a practice server. The very 1st time .51 was asked to split teams the reply was.
"We like to play together to practice, doesn't MOB do the same thing"
Yes we probably do to a certain extent, There is one big difference, WE pay for the server.
If you think this is so unfair, your choice is simple. Play elsewhere.

Another small controversy has arisen over this in the last several days.
A couple of people have felt the need to remark on how Clan {XYZ} isn't required to split teams.
It's obvious the ad nauseam remark was a bash because some players thought it was unfairly being enforced on them. I'm sorry if those guys don't understand the difference between players such as yourselves and people from clan {XYZ} who may have 3-4 people on the same team.
If 2 of the 4 guys from {XYZ} have negative scores, them being on the same team probably isn't going to result in unfair teams to the point it disrupts the server.

Last week at the end of a map the scores were 98/427
If someone can't understand why we try to address that, I would prefer they didn't play here as they obviously have no since of sportsmanship much less fair play.

Here is a list of our server rules.
http://www.mobclan.com/forums/upload/index...?showtopic=9802

No, I have no idea who kicked me. I was hoping you may have an answer. I listed some people that may be doing it. I just dont like how I get it kicked for no reason. This has happend more then once. And i was the only 51 member in the server also.

To:51Cross

I was playing on the Cudakid's computer. Cudadad was on CODUO(barb). I did not kick you, nor did I notice that you were kicked. Just for the record I was on vent and no one said anything about kicking you.

Just to let you know....

Something I forget to add in my last post.
We welcome anyone to post asking why they were kicked or banned.
It evident there are problems resulting in players being unfairly removed from the server.

I'm working on this issue right now.
Anyone who feels there is a problem are more than welcome to bring it to my attention one of 3 ways
1) Post on the forum
2) Contact me on Xfire ( mobdruid )
3) Via email (Druid@mobclan.com)

Its funny cause the last time I played in the mob server, there were 4 51 members in the server. I was the only one that got kicked that time.