Today, I am announcing that I am quitting {MOB}[Regs]. This is long overdue.

{MOB}{Regs] was the first clan that I ever belonged to. I am what is known as a "mature" player in the gaming community: married with three kids, I own a house, and I graduated from college. So, I may not have been the best fit from the start. A member of my family, a person who plays computer games under the name Mona Lisa, encouraged me to join. I love the competition from online gaming, and one day I hope to play again with another group that may share my same philosophies: namely, that you can have fun without spewing hate.

I can only trust that my comments which follow will not be censored and will be afforded the same privileges by the site administrator as were given to those who created my reasons for leaving in the first place. I am quitting because I believe these forums have become a dangerous place where hate and aggression flourish and are encouraged to breed and grow. I don't fear for my life, but I do fear for yours. I fear for what your lives may become if this atmosphere of hate is not checked.

Some examples:

A forum post:

"Mona why don't you do us all a favor and put your mouth around a 12 ga."
A person who plays games under the name {MOB} Ice Cold.


Another post:

"hey mona lisa

how about this

just fucking die”

Another by the same person:

“you're a god damn idiot.

your a dumb bitch and i hope you die by stoning; dumb cunt."
A person who plays games under the name {MOB} Redeemer.

Another:

"YOU KNOW WHAT I HATE!!!? People who think they can forecast the weather!!! Like just the other day, this punk i know was saying 'Yeah tomorrow we are gonna get like, 2 feet of snow in just a few hours. They were saying its gonna be the biggest snow in ten years.... And that day we get an inch of snow.... I feel like getting a baseball bat, breaking it over his head, and then STABBING him with the broken end!!!!"
My dead neighbor from Littleton, CO, Eric Harris.

On April 20, 1999, I lived by myself on a cul-de-sac in the small, suburban town of Littleton, Colorado. It was there that two high-school seniors, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, enacted an all-out assault on Columbine High School during the middle of the school day. I didn't know them personally, but I had seen them and their group, the Trench Coat Mafia, walking around the neighborhood. They dressed in black, and seemed odd. I had moved there from downtown Denver where in the fourteen years I was there, 10 people had been murdered within a two block radius of my house -- including the man across the street that was stabbed 114 times. Happy to be out of that environment, I was oblivious to the kids of the suburbs; they seemed harmless.

They were gamers -- just like us.

Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris were both intelligent, came from solid homes with two parents, and had older brothers who were three years their senior. In elementary school, Klebold and Harris had both played in sports such as baseball and soccer. Both enjoyed working with computers. Klebold and Harris seemed to spend their time doing normal teenager activities. They worked together in a local pizza parlor, liked to play Doom in the afternoons, and worried about finding a date to the prom. For all outward appearances, the boys looked like normal teenagers. Looking back, Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris obviously weren't your average teenagers. They were angry teenagers. They were not only angry at athletes that made fun of them, or Christians, or blacks; they basically hated everyone except for a handful of people.

On the front page of Eric Harris's journal, he wrote:
"I hate the fucking world."

Harris also wrote that he hated racists, martial arts experts, and people who brag about their cars.
Here's some more remarks Eric said:
"You know what I hate? Star Wars fans: get a friggin life, you boring geeks.

You know what I hate? People who mispronounce words, like 'acrost,' and 'pacific' for 'specific,' and 'expresso' instead of 'espresso.'

You know what I hate? People who drive slow in the fast lane, God these people do not know how to drive.

You know what I hate? The WB network!!!! Oh Jesus, Mary Mother of God Almighty, I hate that channel with all my heart and soul."

Both Klebold and Harris were serious about acting out on this hate. As early as spring 1998, they wrote about killing and retaliation in each other's yearbooks, including an image of a man standing with a gun, surrounded by dead bodies, with the caption, "The only reason your still alive is because someone has decided to let you live." Klebold and Harris used the Internet to find recipes for pipe bombs and other explosives. They amassed an arsenal, which eventually included guns, knives, and 99 explosive devices. No one can say for sure why Klebold and Harris committed such a horrific crime. Many people have come up with theories including being picked on in school, violent video games (Doom), violent movies (Natural Born Killers), music, racism, Goth, problematic parents, depression, and more. Looking back, there were telltale hints and clues that something was seriously wrong. Videotapes, journals, guns and bombs in their rooms would have been easily found if the parents had looked.

Harris had made a website with hateful epithets that could have been followed up on.
Looking back, the clues were there. The obsession with weapons, war and death. The endless rounds of bloody computer games. The vicious rantings on the Internet. That's where the lives of Harris and Klebold intersected: in front of a computer. Klebold planned to study computer science. They were die-hard gamers. Harris always had top-of-the-line equipment, even when they first met as freshmen four years earlier. Together, they gamed, they hacked, they created and modified programs. They found power through technology. Even when the two wrote their violent, morbid poems and essays, some classmates saw it as nothing more than creative license fueled by teen-age angst. "It's a creative-writing class," Michele Fox said. "You write about what you want. Shakespeare wrote all about death."

{MOB}Redeemer posted referring to Mona Lisa:

"would you like me to be more complex?

your a dumb bitch and i hope you die by stoning; dumb cunt."

And another by {MOB}Redeemer about Mona Lisa:

"death threats. it was simply wishful thinking and hopes that she will leave. forever. and not go out of her way to change her ip to come back to us."

I didn't bother searching the many other posts that have been made here with similar beliefs. In my case, these remarks were enough. When I asked the site administrator to close the topic bashing Mona Lisa and Shane, I was told, basically, that it would be against their practice of allowing freedom of the speech to do so. Freedom becomes more dangerous when shrouded in anominoty. Now, I'm starting to doubt my purist First Amendment beliefs. The Web has strengthened freedom, but it also has made it more dangerous. Now, teen-agers can go on the Web, read hate literature, look at pornography, gamble, play bloody cybergames and learn how to make a bomb. And many parents, not computer-literate, stand by bragging as their kids "play on the computer."

I wonder how many of your parents know what you are reading here. Eric and Dylan’s parents would have found guns under the bed, bombs in the garage, and hate on their computers if they had bothered to look. I also wonder if I may be the only person who is disgusted with the hate found here on the MOB forums. Here on these forums, people hate campers, and hate hackers, hate other clans, hate people who correct their grammar or criticize their writing skills, and especially, it would appear, they hate people who won’t go away.

In hindsight, signs leading up to the killings in Littleton were obvious -- to the ones who did nothing but watched and listened -- I say, “how could you?” As Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went about killing a dozen of my neighbors, I watched from a distance, wishing I could have helped. Now, six years later, I am trying here today to make up for it. I am not trying to infer that these guys who I quote here are capable of that kind of violence, but writing of this sort may attract those who are. Please stop writing hate; exercise some control over those who do, and begin embracing your gaming brothers as friends instead of suggesting they die by a violent death.

Adios,

Ramos

well Ramos, I am sorry to see you go. and for your info I too am married with 1 kid and 1 on the way. I do not have a house and i did not go to college. but I work my ass of for 15 buck an hour for a company thats considering making me an partner. but any way. I'm sorry for posting that comment. I sould have showen some restraint while posting that. Like I said I'm sorry to see you go even tho we havent chatted much

Later

A very poignant post Ramos. I understand your concern but feel the need to disagree with your contention that one of 'us' is another Columbine nutjob in the making. Do things get heated in here? Yes. Do we often say things that we wish we could immediately take back? Yes. Do any of us consider going out and killing the popular kids because we have no lives outside the irreverent Internet? Uh...I hope not.

Computer games do not cause otherwise normal kids to go on killing sprees and there is no evidence to that fact. Out of 50 million (conservatively) people that play games, visit forums, have Internet lives, how many go on killing sprees? 2? What is that percentage?

The kids in Columbine were not normal well-adjusted kids. They were fuckups and sociopaths. Do some of 'us' fall in that category? Statistics would say so but I still don't fear for my life in any way.

People are responsible for their own behavior, as Mona and yourself are for your own. I didn't get involved in many of the pissing matches that seemed to follow Mona everywhere she went as I just wasn't interested but I can say that I haven't seen anybody that reviled around here in a long time. Maybe there is blame to share?

Cypher
AA (Business & Commerce),BS (Computer Science),A+,N+,MCSD (VB)
ps: I am really fucking smart, just ask me

everyone says things that are rash, and which to take them back, i'm sorry i said them. were they truthful thoughts? no.

Sorry to see you go, Ramos. I'll see you in FF league.

You must have broken out the thesaurus and spent hours on this one huh reedemer.

I'm sorry that it escalated to this Ramos. I always thought of you as a class act (still do of course) and enjoyed speaking with you on vent. Adios buddy and good luck.

Sorry to see you go Ramos but I expected this. I am not going to go into why I totally disagree with your post because Cypher pretty much summed it up for me. But I do have to disagree with one of your statements, specifically



Wrong.

First off, let it be known that from the start I probably sent you around 5-7 PM's asking you to try and control ML. Heck, I even shared some PM's with ML asking her to stop and suggesting ways she could try and fit in a little better with a gaming community, if she wanted to.

When you asked me to close the topics about ML, I did!
Take a look HERE and HERE

I then trolled ML from the forums and asked her not to return, see HERE

She even swore, (for the 10th time) that she would not post again, see HERE

When she came back as SHANE and posted again, as far as I was concerned, she was now fair game. She was told to leave and was trolled and she still decided to come back to a place where she knew she wasn't liked and posted yet again. Fair game in my book.



The way ML acted on these forums, arguing and going back and forth with as she claims "immature kids", makes me wonder what YOUR parents would think if they read these forums.

If you want to talk about people who are troubled, I don't think you need to look much farther than at your sister.


-----As an addendum to this post, I see that your sister is back tonight, continuing to comment on our forums. Take a look HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE. HERE AND HERE


An you have the audacity to come here and preach to us a quasi sermon? Unreal.


---Addendum II - Yet another perfect example of ML's banter HERE
That was JUST posted by her...

Well, later Ramos. I kinda figured this was comming when i saw you step up to bat for Mona/Shane.

My audacity is backed by my life experiences and conviction. It is you who should explain your audacious behavior by instigating, supporting, and participating in these threads that create the spirit of hate of which I speak.

You know not of what you speak. You obviously did not read my post or your just confused. As for an explanation, see my post above I think I made my point loud and clear.

Ramos, allow me to post yet ANOTHER fine example of ML's psychosis.

HERE she says last post (AGAIN)... the thread then goes way off topic and isn't even about ML anymore.. then ML comes back out of the blue to stir the pot, HERE

Maybe it's me. Maybe I'm the crazy one.....

Ramos can you honestly say youve never said you were gonna kick someones ass and then didn't actually do it? or i say it to all my friends, im gonna punch you in the face, but do i? no, have i ever said i hate things? sure have, just cause you hate something or strongly dislike doesnt mean youre gonna go kill them.

as for that freedom of speech bull shit, if the admins here wanna censor something they fucking can. this is the internet, they pay the bills they make the rules.

Mona was asked to leave and he/she didn't. He/she said this was her last post, i dont even know how many times. He/she was just asking for trouble whenever he/she posted. for all i care *which i dont* mona gets what he/she deserves


V

I respect your opinions, Vader, and RD, etc., regarding Mona. But I do not agree with them. No one "deserves" to be subjected to the kind of humilitation and hate found here. Saucy crossed a line with his post that people have not passed since I was a small boy growing up in a hostile racial environment. To create a thread wherein people vote on to what degree someone is a a "gender confused fucktard" then subsequently bashed and told to die a number of horrible and violent deaths, sets a very dangerous precedent. The consequences of young minds being nourished on this type of thought are documented in my resignation.

Sorry to see you go Ramos. Can't say that I blame ya. I've read a lot of posts on this forum, studied them without even posting myself. All I can say is hell has no fury than a women being scorned. Believe me she has been scorned by a bunch of kids that act like rabid dogs. Yea, maybe she didn't fit in but to keep poking and prodding til someone finally snaps just for your own amusement, and don't anybody say they didn't enjoy it because that's how some of you get your jollies. Fuck it, all I can say is she didn't get where she's at on her own.

The only one that poked and prodded was ML. This could have all ended if she stayed away as she was asked to.

It must be everyone elses fault that she is the way that she is...

Realdeal, you know this goes back a lot farther than after she got kicked. She's pissed off bad, real bad, and this is her way of lashing back. It was the poking and prodding from the beginning that got her kicked.

ramos, i do agree with you


everyone has the right to disagree,

for instance, many of us on here agree on disagreeing. and for that everyone should respect others opinions- which in actuality, everyone here is guilty of being hateful, every single person has. From mona, to me, to realdeal, to even saucy.

I may have been hateful once, maybe...

She did her fair share of poking and prodding from day one as well which ultimately ended up in her being kicked. If she, an alleged mature adult, can't handle it, then she should have just stayed away as asked. That's the bottom line really. Had she stayed away, as asked, I highly doubt Saucy would have ever made that post.

As far as the "gender bashing"... gimme a break. I highly doubt anyone really thinks ML is a hermaphrodite. What is being referred to, in my opinion, is that a large part of the community believes that ML is really a male posing as a female, that's all.

Sorry, I'm just too old to understand.

Well, do we agree to agree? -- or agree to disagree? Am I to respect your opinion that everyone should respect others opinions, OK. So what? Sorry, this isn't making sense to me.
Redeemer, the first time I see you condemn a hateful, vicious or outrageous comment made here (maybe even your own?) instead of getting in line to make one, maybe then I can begin to respect your opinions again.

Cya BUD!! Like forrest gump would say...SHIT HAPPEN!!

What?!?!?!? See ya, Ramos

well, considering that all of the above games mentioned are for "mature audiences" the fact that kids play them anyway, isn't that the responsibility of the parent, not the website, or its members, to govern their actions....i find your reasoning on the subject regarding a corrolation (sp?) between violent children and violent games kinda faulty; children are products of their environment, and if taught correctly, should understand the differences between right and wrong. for you to impose your seemingly strict sense of values up people you have no control over is irrelevant. I have perused the "bash ML" posts and find them funny and entertaining, as do alot of the other members. You play alot of BF2, if i am correct, and that is full of the same level of violence as MOHAA and COD. Perhaps you ought to take your Columbine incident morality lesson post and stop playing FPS and grow flowers and weave baskets....definitely a more pacificistic approach to life's lessons, don't you think?

Lead

Lead I don't think we are talking about the games themselves as much as the hate filled posts that this forum has put a stamp of approval on. It's easy to shrug off any responsibility for condoning this just as it's easy to ignore the local meth lab selling to our kids. The fact that we laugh and applaud these young people, like Redeemer and Saucy, for their trash talk only encourages outrageous and disrespectful behavior. I think of this quote when I read posts like yours Lead.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke

I'm a little surprised that you not only approve but find those posts funny. Let me ask you a question, if your father read a note that you had written, similiar to these at the age of 15, what would have happened? If your children (assuming you have one/some) wrote this at that age what would your response to them be? I'm not trying to come off "holier than thou" because I've been guilty too. I'm simply asking forum members to take the moral high ground and show the younger members that a public forum isn't the place for hate, racism and violent threats.

obviously, the whole "freedom of speech/expression idea" as conveyed by our forefathers has not yet reached your planet....moral high ground? That sounds alot like censorship to me, friend.... The real world, the world in which we, all of us, live in is brim filled with hate, rascism and violence.....its like this: if you don't want your kids reading this kinda stuff, dont own a computer.....its just like TV or radio....don't like the programming, just turn it off. [Nope, no kids.....not that i am aware of anyway]

I think this attitude just about sums up my problems here.



Go ahead and stick you head in the sand if you want. That would be one less person encouraging these insults by laughing at but saying nothing to stop them.

I think you know it isn't possible to shut off the real world. And to suggest it as a remedy, is a dangerous thought process.

There are limits to how much you can control. I would have had to have pulled down the shades, locked the door, and never let my kids talk to other kids, go outside, or go to school to have prevented them from interacting with the Columbine incident.

Ramos, I hate to see you leave like this, and I'm not condoning anyone's actions, but you are only mentioning one side of the story. The posts and threads and arguements didn't start with "eat a shotgun" or whatever. They started with simple things like "shut up". But ML likes to belittle people and instigate. ML took great pleasure in getting people riled up to where they said things that they wouldn't normally say, and now ML sits in SK's forums saying how rude MOB is. I understand that your family member is being attacked, and I would defend my family at any cost. I just want to remind you that most of this started with comments like "I am the best sniper in MOHAA". Very simple comment with very simple replies. But because ML is as belligerent a person as I know in these forums, it has escalated to where it is today.

I only mentioned ML by name because a family member does matter more. But that's not the only person routinely bashed here, Bargod. Diesel and El Peruvian are two others that bring out the worst in people. Rocker and Reject are subjected to routine ridicule. So is Atima. There are/were others. My question is do you want it to stop or is it okay to encourage members to continue to spew hate? There were times when this whole bashing thing turned into a kind of freaky party accompanied by music clips and sound effects provided by the site administrator/head of this clan.

I know there are two sides to every story and I am not suggesting ML was blameless. I am merely saying there are times when this has gone way too far. We seem to forget we're all part of a community with gaming as a hub. In my opinion, a large part of the focus of these forums has shifted to character assasination. What do you propose to do to fix it? Or do you think it's okay the way it is?

You are absolutely right about that. And there are some things that all three have in common. They all have huge egos and are belligerent. El P gets treated the same every single forum he goes to. He brings out the worst in people because of how he treats other people. As for Diesel, I have nothing personal against him. I think what he did after leaving MOB was immature, but if I see him in another forum or a server I'm not going to be a jerk. He was the rudest person I've ever had the pleasure to speak with on ventrillo. He almost exclusively referred to people by slang terms and euphemisms for the penis. From the simple "dick" to the colorful "yogurt thrower". The shear number of terms he came up with was really impressive. Diesel also had a nack for going into others forums and starting trouble. This was probably the only thing that ever bothered me about him. He couldn't just wait for a match and beat another team, he first had to insult everyone on their team, and if MOB won, he'd rub it in. If MOB lost, well, it's a common joke in MOHAA about his excuses. I think the fact that he's been on countless teams since he left MOB says a little something about his ability to get along with others. Especially if someone suggests that he may not be the best MOHAA player that ever lived. I think part of the reason that things can get pretty rude and explicit here quickly is because MOB forums are so popular with people from all clans. Which leads to a snowball effect of outrageous behavior. This isn't Larry King, it's Jerry Springer. And that's the way it's been long before I got here.
Not to beat a dead horse, but like I said, ML has started trouble since she first got here. Here is a link to her first incarnation as Mannkynd. I don't know for a fact that this is ML, but if you read it who else would it be?
The nasty responses are mostly from people who are in TLD now. Ice Cold was in a different clan at the time (MGX?). So, is the problem the guys that are on the forums now, or the person who the animosity is towards?
Also, ML is the only person I've ever known to refer to playing as "fighting". I think that shows a little bit about attitude as well.

Lead, if you consider standing up and saying "this isn't right and isn't tolerated here" to be censur then you need to examine your beliefs. I'm not suggesting deleting posts or changing them, I am suggesting letting members know what is and isn't acceptable behavior. I don't care how annoying the members here found ML it doesn't excuse the comments and posts that were flung her direction.
It takes more courage to speak out as Ramos and Pistoffbad have than to go along with the "mob". Stand up and be counted, make the new MOB a better place to be.

It needs to slow down, Bargod. I'm just reminding people there's a break pedal in the car. This animosity thing is wierd to me in a lot of ways I've already talked about.

I really don't know those other guys except Atima very well, so I find it hard to defend them, and they don't seem to need any help anyway, lol.

I quit this place because it collectively possesses a "character" I can't in good conciense (sp?) continue to align myself with, that's all. From reading these follow ups, it would appear I'm in the minority. Rocker has weighed in from SK. He sends a clear signal that he and his group want to see the hatefulness end. POB is so far the only one to step out from MOB -- and it was very much appreciated to hear that I wasn't the only one thinking this way. I think Ice Cold and Redeemer are second guessing their comments. So what's it gonna take to put an end to this?

I really didn't have an agenda with this post. However, if have planted a second thought in anyone's mind -- so that the next time they stop and question what they're really saying before they hit "Post Topic" or "Add Reply" to some hateful post -- then maybe all of this back and forth was worth it. I hope we can all get back to having some real gaming fun instead of this heavy discussion.

So, I've left and you can continue to all be what you will after this thread concludes without my interference. I not a troublemaker and won't be a troublemaker in the future. I will leave these forums forever when asked -- you won't have to ask me twice. I do wish you all good luck. I've made many good friends through this association -- so, it was well worth it -- and hope to see you all in another place, at another time.

I agree with some of what you have said Ramos and I wish you well. I have always tried (though not always successful) to operate on a few simple rules when using forum boards:
1) Ask myself "Would I actually say this if the person was in the same room with me?"
2) If something really pisses me off, wait an hour before replying because chances are, My post wont make sense.
3) Use previous track record of a person before responding, once a dildo, always a dildo and not worth the effort in responding.

I cant say I havent had my share of poor posting habits in the past, but I do try to follow these rules as much as possible. As far as the "poor" treatment some people receive from the community here, I am sure that 98% is well earned. While I am making up percentages, I would bet that less than 1% of the tens of thousands of posts that have been made on this forum have had nothing to do with attacking individuals. While I dont agree with the verbage that is used sometimes, I understand the sentiment, usually its very simple "Go away and stay away". It is funny to me that the people that incite and create the "drama" here bring it on themselves through an initial inflammatory post and then cry foul when they are attacked.

Deisel, El P, and ML all instigated stuff that pissed other people off. They knew the reactions they were gonna get, and were suprised when they got them? Well lets just go grab that power line thats knocked down and make sure that we're firmly grounded then be suprised when we get fucking electricuted. *Spelling anyone?* Freedom of Speech has nothing here. This is the internet, who pays the bills makes the rules. As for the comments made, I'm not saying that everybody was right in saying them, but when you focus on every single aspect of someones grammar and correct them in such a rude fashion and insult them for not being able to put a sentence together correctly, and then be suprised that people get pissed off?

I respect your opinion and your right to have one, but I believe if you start something you don't get the right to be suprised or offended with someones reaction.

V

that probably made no sense, i dont proof read, i just go off hwat comes to my head...more rant

Bargod, why was Diesel tolerated for as long as he was?

Don't get me wrong, generally he was fun. But, when he was a jerk he was king of the jerks. The name calling was almost always in fun, though, and everyone would crack up when he'd come up with a new one. I don't know exaclty what led to the big blowout, but I believe the BS pile got higher than the "ha ha Diesel is funny" pile.
And Rocker, what most of us do is ignore those threads. It's very easy. Nobody forces anyone else to read the forums. If you don't like whats in a thread, stop going to it. That's how I deal with a lot of threads. Sometimes I feel argumentative and I visit the Too Exclusive threads, and sometimes I can't be bothered with midless rantings. It's MY choice.

One thing I give Diesel and Elp credit for -- they've both stayed away after they were asked to and banned. Neither of them tried to come back under different names, (Ok, well ElP did once, but he never got the chance to post )

PS - you all take this shit too seriously, IMHO.

"Don't start no shit, won't be no shit." - Lil' John and the East side Boyz yayayaya!

you just quoted lil john...lmao

Fo sheezy!

Hating on a person isn't cool but neither is condescending. This is life. I'll gladly say that no one likes it when someone condescends to them. It is fucking annoying and incredibly gay. In life someone always gets picked on and pushed down into the sand. It sucks, yeah. But again that's life. Hateful remarks written or spoken in moments of anger or irritation... Well they happen. Everyone is guilty of it(Especially Andy(Vader)That kid has one foul mouth but he is fucking hilarious). I bet even the Jesus himself dropped F-bombs or the equivalent at the time. That's just the way it is. And I'm sure some asshole riding a donkey was going too slow on the road to Galilee, Jesus would have flipped that asshole the bird and said some unkind words because ultimately he was human. We all are. You can idolize virtuous behavior as much as you please but at the end of the day we're all guilty of sin. If you didn't say someting hateful it you definately thought it. It can't be helped. that's just the human brain. I guarantee if someone does their best to go against the grain and create the most friction(drama) that they can the people that aren't vibing with that person are gonna start hating. That is just human nature plain and simple. I'm not gonna say that Mona necessarily started this avalanche of hate but she was the little pebble that got caught up in it and started rolling downhill. Maybe it wasn't all her fault but she didn't help matters.

For Isis:

Ramos, what makes you think you can take your moral high ground with a large part of an online gaming community when you can't even keep ML/Shane from posting to PREVENT anything like this from ever happening?? I am not bagging on you(nor condoning the violent posts), but maybe you should try keeping your family member under control and avoid the entire situation.

C ya ramos u were a good friend to me and even tho you wernt very active on the fourms and vent i always enjoyed your company you were one of the very few regs who never was negative and never said any thing bad about another person! And i do thank you for all those last minuits matches types of thing ur were always loyal and trusted it just suxs that stupid shit like this drives ppl off but i tottaly see where ur coming from!




And RD this is my newest fav quote!

I'm okay with the ground I'm standing on. I've got three kids to raise....I'm not about to try and control an adult sibling, too. We each make our own beds.

Rocker, you have "spin doctored" my response to your earlier statement about my even earlier statement regarding the ML/Shane debacle. The Forum is a way of people expressioning opinions; right or wrong, in good taste or straight from the septic tank vile, they are still covered under FREE SPEECH. ML seemed to have "rubbed" alot of people the wrong way, and then compounded the issue after the fact. "Beligerant" and "overly antagonistic" have been uttered by more than one person in conversations here and on vent.

I am standing up. I am with MOB. and i say, you have your right to say whatever you think about this topic. And so do I, and so does ever other person who contributes their "2cents" worth.
FREE SPEECH.
BILL OF RIGHTS.
CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
DEMOCRACY.

This is the best place to be.


Lead

BG...."Yogurt Thrower"....ROFLOL!! I gotta remember that one....

Congrats on Making }MM{

Thank you. I'm looking forward to a fresh start. Hope you start playing BF2 more, but I know you're all jonesin' for COD2. See you out "there."

= = > MM

Then I suggest you stay here under the protection of MOB because you can't go just anywhere and spew your mouth with wishes of death.