Where DO you get your info then? I gave you guys a government website and you called it a conspiracy theory. So I guess you guys must just get your information from Bush's mouth and nowhere else?

Let me ask you a question, is it necessary to start a new topic everytime you post your banter?

you guys are gonna make me sprout gray hairs i swear. you still haven't told me why you don't think PNAC is real...

Maybe because you have put yourself soooo far out in crazyville, no one wants to make the drive out there to see if you actually had a valid point. And with gas prices the way they are, don't count on any visitors any time soon...

LMFAO!

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That's 2 today MC... you going for a record?

i cant believe you censored her nips....im so upset with you today real...

well PNAC is no conspiracy theory, it's a right-wing think tank, in which Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz used to be members. that's all. and that document IS what Bush uses as our defense strategy, and it's sad that you guys love bush so much but yet don't even know his plan for the future. so if you guys want to know what your presidents plans for the future are, read the PNAC documents. simple as that. is that being crazy or delusional? i mean it says right on their website that they're headquartered in washington DC, so u know they're not some MoveOn-type propaganda organization.

Who is this guy, I don't even write this much bs.

what bullshit? did u go to PNAC's website? this is no dilusional conspiracy theory. this is 100% confirmed fact. it's sad that u guys follow a guy yet u don't even know where to read up on what he's doing for the future :/ it's not bullshit at all, and you're very close-minded and ignorant if you think that PNAC doesn't exist...

i dont know man.....I googles the address and it is a valid address but there is no PNAC in the building. mostly its a chinesse org. now i googled PNAC in the news and didnt come up with one valid report on it except from aljezzera and france and UK (anti american site) you seriously are a fucked up lil kid....
you nick name still stands....
Retard
you really are a nutcase!

dude, what happens if you search for george bush under google? YOU'LL GET A SHITLOAD OF ANTI-AMERICAN SHIT.
don't search for PNAC... search for PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. ull get TONS of stuff. im not a fucked up kid... THIS IS NO CONSPIRACY THEORY. AGAIN I REPEAT, PNAC IS A RIGHT-WING THINK-TANK. search for PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY. do a search for Defense Planning Guidance written by paul wolfowitz in 1992... that document was revised and inquired into REBUILDING AMERICA'S DEFENSES on the PNAC website. or did u ignore my wikipedia link? (if u don't know what wikipedia is, it's an encyclopedia that's completely unbiased)... i'll post what it says about it:

The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC, is a Washington, DC based think tank. The group was established in spring 1997 as a non-profit organization with the goal of promoting "American global leadership". The chairman is William Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard and FOX News regular. The group is an initiative of the New Citizenship Project, a non-profit 501c3 organization that is funded by the Bradley Foundation. [1]

Present and former members include several prominent members of the Republican Party and Bush Administration, including Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Jeb Bush, Richard Perle, Richard Armitage, Dick Cheney, Lewis Libby, William J. Bennett, Zalmay Khalilzad, and Ellen Bork, the wife of Robert Bork. A large number of its ideas and its members are associated with the neoconservative movement. PNAC has seven full-time staff members, in addition to its board of directors.

The PNAC is quite controversial. Some have raised concerns that the project has been proposing military and economic domination of land, space, and cyberspace by the United States, so as to establish American dominance in world affairs (Pax Americana) for the future—hence the term "the New American Century", based on the idea that the 20th century was the American Century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_t...merican_Century

that's what it says about that... anti-american? no. just a RIGHT-WING think tank, just like i said earlier.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2801349.stm <-- BBC report that talks about the PNAC document. bbc is not anti-american at all.

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dude ur a retart. i just googled PNAC and the first match was the new american century website... and then the 3rd match was that wikipedia thing... i dont get how that's so fucked up?

wtf are you talking about!? where do u get this shit from? im sure there might be a chinese organization in the building... but there's LOTS of different organizations in the building... that's why it's in SUITE 510. means there's 509 more suites there that could hold organizations. just because ONE organization in the building is chinese doesnt mean the whole building is. and ull get anti-american shit by putting ANYTHING in google... doesn't mean PNAC is anti-american... just means people dont LIKE PNAC.

Look, I know there is PNAC. It's not hidden. It is the reason that Powell no longer works for Bush. It goes againt the "Powell Doctrine" and Rumsfeld basically pushed Powell out of the way and told Bush that Iraq was a better Target for America cuz we actually had plans for an invasion there. So what, it made the world a better place.
And I dont love Bush. And I didn't vote for Kerry either. I actually have my own oppinions based on facts.

well then tell that to the REST of these guys. cause THEY DON'T BELIEVE ME.

Its because your a retard that spews facts from a dictionary. Thats what wikipedia is, a dictionary of facts. Thats all you have, i say get the hell outta here and spew your shit somewhere else.

Tell me again dipshit, who do I follow? I made a sarcastic remark about the number of posts you make that no one really wants to read due to their excessive number and often ridiculous claims. I was making no reference to PNAC, just your postings in general.

As for the PNAC, I knew it existed long before you posted your silly comments here. It is true that much of the current foreign diplomacy is drawn from its platforms. Unfortunately, as the BBC article you so triumphantly cited points out, a single interest group cannot lord over an administration, nor its policies. There are too many factors and variables that go into making policy.

I will admit that I often post in this forum contentious arguments or ideas, but only for the sake of constructive discussion with that hope that everyone learns something, and always done so in moderation. You're like the boy who cried wolf, only worse. You post this and that claiming this and that, only you post so much of it, that no one really cares. Not only are you making a fool out of yourself, but you waste everyone elses' time and turn people away from political and social debate.

haha

blakjak (nice work)



the world hated us before 9-11-01 and they continue to hate us now.

like i said it was me and a few space aliens smoking a bone and we did it all.... we were in on this 2.

and i didnt see that there was more then one floor or suite # or wouldnt have posted that. and its a think tank...who gives a shit about that. they come up with ideas.....
who gives a shit anyways dont you have other things to worry about besides that, like a money or getting laid? i worry about what i can control and since i cant control the hair on my arm why should i worry about that. me and my father were drinking last night and we were talking about life and his statement was "lie is like a candybar, once its gone its gone" so lifes shot and enjoy it. you want to make changes, be a political nut job and run for president. me and the UFO will stop by and get you some votes.


BTW "Druid for 2008"
mabe realdeal will be the SOD.

well then i dont get it... i just posted something about PNAC and everyone flew off at me... well if yall know it exists... y r u all flyin off at me like u think it's a conspiracy theory? I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT STOCKGUY DOES BECAUSE HE SAID THAT WAT I POSTED WAS BULLSHIT (I posted the PNAC website)... and i know Silver's never heard of PNAC neither... cause he had to google it and then he tried tellin me it was some chinese organization

yeah and? when info comes from you i instantly distrust it becaus of your nonsense you posted before. dis i really look at the info you put up...no...but i did google it and it came from uncreditable sites.

so i ask you, this are we the only forum you can argue with? (i find you amusing)

here's a quote from madcapp when i posted the PNAC documents:

well tell that guy PNAC exists will ya bargod?

and yes you are the only forum i can argue with, because the rest of the people in the world are smarter than that, and i don't have to argue with them to get it thru their heads... they're smart enough to see it right away.

This isn't about PNAC. It's about you starting 10 threads about bullshit. OK, so you came up with one real thing. Who cares, everything else you've thrown at us if friggan nut job conspiracy BS! That's why nobody cares what you are saying. You are now being put on ignore.

woohoo, I finally get to use that one.

Now you've gone and done it, you insulted our collective intelligence . You persist and yet have achieved nothing here. Nobody has gained anything from your posts beyond random bits of information and facts that somehow, incoherently I might add, are supposed to condem the Bush administration.

If you really wanted to sway people, which I garner is your aim here, then you should have taken more time to produce more calm, cohesive arguments and claims. This goes back to the multiple posts which I addressed in my last post.

As for arguing with stupid people, you are admittedly posting with a wide variety of people with different levels of education. However, don't be so quick to judge the intelligence of others in internet forums, you certainly don't know shit about me.

you're right i dont. but im not talkin about just internet forums. I'm talking about real life. On most hip-hop forums, I get mass assent with my 9/11 post. They know the government corruption so that's all good. In real life, I use documentaries to spread the word. it works quite well i might add cause im waking up so many people. By the way I showed Confronting the Evidence (a 9/11 DVD) to my grandpops who showed it to one of his friends that took a SHIT LOAD of physics and engineering in college, and says "yep there were bombs in those towers, no way they woulda came down like that without them". so yea... people are waking up. it's ok if there are a few people like you who will never wake up, that never deters my mission. My wakeup success rate is like 7/8 people that i talk to it about are woken up. i then show them the documentaries which illustrate everything so perfectly and they're convinced. I guess u guys are the minorities.

except it's not. read the quote i posted from madcapp. he clearly states that im hallucinating by believing in PNAC. at FIRST when i had only posted on topic u guys thought i was loony about this one too... and obviously madcapp did so this WAS about PNAC being real at one point.

Face it, you are mentally unbalanced. The first key to curing the problem is to admit the problem. Look in the mirror and tell yourself that you're fucking nuts, then go unplug your computer and go outside and look at the rest of the world.

This just keeps getting better and better.

By the way I showed Confronting the Evidence (a 9/11 DVD) to my grandpops who showed it to one of his friends that took a SHIT LOAD of physics and engineering in college, and says "yep there were bombs in those towers, no way they woulda came down like that without them".

He said, she said, it's all hearsay. I certainly wouldn't take the word of someone who heard it from their grandfather that got it from a friend who simply took physics and engineering in college. Is this "friend" now a structural engineer or architect? Drawing conclusions from a conspiracy DVD isn't always the best resource in any case.

And the train keeps on rolling: now you're citing personal responses from of all things, hip-hop forums. Of course hip-hop culture hates the government, it's the white establishment holding the black man down! I've gone to school in a predominantly african-american school all my life and yet your stereotypes about the hip-hop culture are woefully lacking any substantial backing.

Spare us the drama and the wasted effort of reading your posts about converting 7/8 of the people you encounter. Apparently you enjoy conversing with stupid people. In fact, it appears those are the only people you seek out. Well, unfortunately for you, we are not taking to your 'conversion tactics.' Perhaps you should take a statistics class as well, your flamboyant numbers make you that much less believable.

dumb ppl. right, meanwhile i attend the best school district in PA. EVERYONE in my school district is smart (well not EVERYONE but most people) my whole family is smart too, and many of us are gifted (as am i). and i was NOT stereo-typing black people. I have LOTS of black and hispanic friends. I love black ppl, they're awesome. I don't stereotype against black ppl. didju ever think that maybe YOU guys are the nutty ones and the majority are the smart ones? cause i go out all the time, i have tons of friends, tons of girls lined up to blow me, and you guys' dilusional fantasies are only heard by me on this forum for the most part, cause the REST of the people are very much able to see thru bush's lies. and silver mentioned the patriot act and how we lose our rights because of that. that's true, but according to john ashcroft, he's aiding terrorists by saying that. shouldn't that key in some kind of "hrrmmm wait a minute" kinda moment? John Ashcroft's words: "Those who talk about phantoms of lost liberties, your tactics only aid terrorists. And If you're with the terrorists, FEAR AMERICA, for you will lose your liberties!" so he just said if ur stupid and dont realize it, we're not taking ur liberties. if you are smart and realize it, then we are taking ur liberties. what a crock of shit. sorry for runnning off on a tangent. I do have Attention Deficit Disorder so i get distracted easily.

Riding the short bus makes you "special", not gifted.
Go sell crazy someplace else, we're all full here. (can't take credit for that line, that one belongs to Nicholson)

really were from? i have friends all over pa? what town?

i did the same thing... i cant tolerate this 11 year old horse turd or his BS any longer


BALETED

Bucks County, in a town called Richboro.
I got to Council Rock school district... GARUNTEED they've heard of it if u have friends all over PA.

LOL.... thanks....

PNAC - People never actually Care

Please Never Assume Causes

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Dude you seriously need a hug

Too Exclusive if you could use proper grammar and spelling then maybe I would take you seriously, but you can't even do that. You even claim to attend the best school system in Pennsylvania! What are they teaching you Yankees up there? If you're so smart what did you get on your SAT? Where are you going to college? Where is my bitch SaiNts to back me up!?

you have to take the president seriously (i guess ).....look at his english...that may not be the best indicator of intelligence.

Maybe 2 exclusive hears this from his parents. That is the only way he knows this hmmmmmm

he is the reason condoms were invented...

Or at least people like him.

haha... no i dont hear this from my parents. they're too close-minded to even look at the evidence.

It never ends.

here's an interesting way of looking at things


here's what we know about 9/11 (because we saw it with our own eyes):
- an aircraft crashed into each tower.
- the towers came down.
- something happened at the pentagon that left a smoldering hole. that section later collapsed.
- something happened to flight 93.
- building 7 came down.

now, filling in any other information is a CONSPIRACY THEORY, agreed? so now there are TWO main conspiracy theories... the one the government/media tells us that 19 hijackers (many which later were found alive and well in the middle east) took over four planes and crashed them into the towers and pentagon and the heat from the burning jet fuel made the towers collapse, and that a minor fire made building 7 collapse.

and the other conspiracy theory is the one i told you.

now the point im trying to make is that they're BOTH conspiracy theories... cause everyone just looks at it like what the govt says is the truth and im the conspiracy theorist... well no, because the government's story is a theory too. the thing i dont like is the government never provides evidence for their theories, and everyone just believes them. another theory is Condoleezza Rice saying in 2001 after 9/11 that she had evidence clearly linking Osama Bin Laden to the attacks of 9/11 and that she would release that in due time... she never did.

if the govt is innocent... y dont they prove it, which if they are innocent can be easily done by releasing the video footage of w/e hitting the pentagon that we know they have. or by releasing that evidence Condy Rice says she has and she SAID she would release... y hasn't she? just some questions. if they're innocent why dont they prove it? i mean think about it... they go to such great lengths like using Michael Chertoff's cousin to write that popular mechanics article, to get Penn & Teller to make their conspiracy episode of "BULLSHIT!", they got mad other people to try to debunk conspiracy theories, so y not do the easiest things to clear themselves of guilt? y not?

You really just can't believe the truth can you? It scares me to think that there are more people that believe the way you do here in the U.S. I am glad that you are part of a tiny percentage of people though.

see your problem madcapp, is that i stated something that was TRUE. all i was saying was the only things we know that happened HAPPENED BECAUSE WE SAW THEM HAPPEN. AGREED? the other stuff we were TOLD happened. so because we were TOLD that's what happened, does that necessarily mean that's what happened?

and how about next time instead of saying the SAME THING YOU ALWAYS SAY, try to answer one of the many questions i raised in my comments, like why Rice hasnt released the evidence linking Osama Bin Laden and 9/11 that she SAID she would release?

The question I put to you is why do you feel it is necessary for our government to spend the time to ease the minds of a few of you crackpots going through a prozac withdrawal? Try trusting our government just a little, unless of course you have a problem with democracy. Then maybe you should leave, hell I will even come help you pack...

well i think this country should be a republic... but that's besides the fact. they're almost the same thing, with a few minor differences. either one is good tho. and yes i think the government should release it instead of LYING saying they will release it and then never releasing it. WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THE SONSOFBITCHES IF THEY LIE LIKE THAT? I'm sorry the government has to EARN my trust, and they should have to earn EVERYBODY's trust. I don't think people should naturally trust the government. Tell me why we should just naturally trust them?