and Heavy, why don't you stop picking on the guy who can barely defend himself with English, and try picking on me in a 1v1 reverend server, I'd gladly wipe the floor with you.

Them's fightin' words if I ever heard 'em

ok, let me clear a few things up as far as i am concerned, i don't even want to get into the stuff with you and peruvian that's you 2 talking crap but as far as me sending in the zip with the same thing as OGL i have seen you say that a few times and yes it was like that when i created a zip folder...look, honest to god i know next to nothing about comp stuff...i can turn it on and play mohaa and surf the internet but rocker helps me with alot of the 'technical' stuff. i have played this game since about 6 months after it came out and at this point it's aggrivated me so much that i get called hack like this that there is almost nothing i can do to please you guys into thinking im just good except maybe fly you to my house to watch me in a game or 2...im sorry you guys feel like that 3RD ID and BAD as well.

i forgot to mention how it does that btw...i just tested and what i did is right click on one of the SS and it creates a folder but note at the end of the long stuff it has 4 numbers 1004 on the one i sent to you guys cause thats the number of the SS i clicked on the create the zip folder...try it for yourself.

Yes Khemist, I'm sure you don't rely on hotmail exclusively so I'm sure you can send your zips [or whatever is left of them] directly. So your whole team uses hotmail and has to rely on one player who doesn't use hotmail to send screenies. You have no respect for us because we filed a dispute which is beneath you and you yourself could not produce the entire Zip file per Reverend because you had to exit Rev. improperly [per your dispute response.]

I agree that some day I may have to exit Reverend improperly [never happened yet] I also undstand that if my power cuts off to my PC in those few seconds I may have to rebuild something to send elswhere but I cetainly wouldn't take the care to name it exactly as reverend would if there was no zip created.

This is not STFU hardcore, we believed there were several instances of being pre-fired upon especially in scenarios where we walked some where and were shot by a 110 pinger the absolute moment we tucked out or were pre-shot but not hit when no one could see us. the 2 players we suspected most could not produce complete screenshots or ANY text files because of reverend 'closing' issues.

I have made no insults, just supplied data.

Make public the .VM9 files from BAD as .zip and you'll do much to improve your standing, not to drag mud but they were your bud's but won't have a thing to do with you since your 'match.'

wow an all out fight on mob forums and it dont involve mob!!!!

It's a first

Actually, the only TWO people that sent their ss to rocker were peru and hans, everyone else e-mailed tehmselves, as we dont have hotmail. My reverend FROZE after exiting the game, I had no choice but to inproperly shut it down, but if you had brains you would understand, oh wait they're splattered on algiers. When I had to click 'Close Windows' it then rebooted my pc and didnt zip my ss nor give me archives from the match. You say you were being prefired? excuse me but if im correct that's implying we were cheating on reverend after being verified good? take that up with bart, and he will tell you there is just no way. your guys dispute had no proff whatsoever of any type of cheating, just an assumption. Blow me!

heavy i dont know what to say because i explained the name and maybe you don't get that but anyways i dont know what to tell you man...i have never insulted anyone or talked trash i mean you probably havent ever even heard me really talk because im not like that i just play and talk to the clan. i really don't know anything about you or any of the other MOB members but i never dreamed i would be seeing what i am on here about =SK= because me and khemist have worked really hard to be what we are today and to see you guys so suspicious of us just kills me. you know, when kws came with us and we had a really good 6v6 finally i never thought we would be called hackers i just thought we would become known amongst the good clans (tld, mob, etc.) and heck, ask tld and mob and dmg i have had some serious a$$ kickings from them but it's all good and in fun but when this happens it takes the fun out and that's what im here for. ya i had everything against me when you made this dispute cause i play so well and then to have rev mess up on me this time was just wonderful let me tell you what... you know i never knew you had to get this technical with it all because everyone other time i use reverand i never had any of this stuff come up so when it froze i gave it about 5 min. of just sitting there not doing anything and i hit close MOH at the top and nothing happened so i just hit shutdown windows figured that would be easiest...didn't know it messes with all the zips and i dont understand any of file sizes for SS or anything and i know something was said about them being 801x601 instead of 800x600 and all 5 of mine were like that when i got there and i never even noticed that as i said i never payed attention to that kinda stuff. so i try and send all 5 seperate on email but it was taking FOREVER!!! so i just ok, ill zip them so i right click on one of the SS and hit 'send to' then compressed folder and it created as the stuff like ogl just had the single SS # at the end and i stuffed them all in there and sent them to you guys...even tho i didn't have everything i would have had(if rev wouldnt have froze) i figured what i had was good enough. if you can think of any way to see if i hack plz let me know i will do ANYTHING i just dont want you calling me hack when i dont it's not right that i work this hard to be harrassed. plz try and look at it from my point.

AMEN REJECT!!!!!!

One last thing for all of you, =SK= is a much better team with el p as team captain, his playing skills don't really matter at all.

sry to but in but p el what ever. can u plz read match comments in 2v2 ladder

LMAO!

damn, that is the longest sentence i have ever seen.

Reject, this will sound a little sappy but that was pretty heart felt what you wrote; that's all I can say.

Your team leader certainly has a way about him that clearly doesn't promote any type of inter clan cohesiveness so I hope his leadership benefit is worth it.

hey heavy you really know how to throw a topic of course, come to our forums and leave your whinning out of mobs forum.

our addy is skclans.com

see you there

Heavy, The last thing I want is conflict with other good clans, But I felt that you guys were jumping to conclusions with no conclusive proof. Calling us cheaters when we are on reverend and verified good, makes you guys look like sore losers; thats all i can say

We never called you cheaters, we did have personal beliefs during the match and commented as such in the [private] dispute manager on OGL.

We have posted no accusations which may sound weird to you.

There are some serious technical issues with some and most of your zip files, some worse than others which causes concern. We have a match dispute based on technical issues which may rule either way, we shall see.

Unfortunately you had your two top players unable to send complete SS's / zips / text files for their match; a statistical annomoly (sp?) I'm sure. Had only one of your mid scoring players had the same problem, we likely wouldn't be here.

PS - Frankly I like this forum better than yours because it's neutral.



hey can we get someone to make a 3rd ID rules smiley as an option here? just asking....

ya this forum is fine, i hate that it was me and khemist that had the most problems cause we did the best so of course that looks bad and i see that but i still believe it's turning into to much of a big deal. i know i can say that more than you can though because im sitting at my computer while im playing and i know i don't hack but from your point of view i know it would look somewhat suspicious but i can't do much more then send what i have and hope for you guys to see that im an honest player as well as khemist because of reverand messing up

Nono, our 2 top players sent everything anyone else sent, they just weren't compressed and zipped, just sent 5 individual files, instead of 1 compressed. Whether it locked them or not, who knows. This was a very rare and unfortunate circumstance that are 2 top players had problems with Reverend shutting down, but so be it. I personally don't mind you guys disputing us, but it was the reason for doing it, not only questioning Revered, but questioning our fairplay.

btw what did you mean by this i didnt catch that

a·nom·a·ly (ə-nŏm'ə-lē)

One that is peculiar, irregular, abnormal, or difficult to classify:

a·nom'a·lis'tic adj.
a·nom'a·lis'ti·cal·ly adv.

Anomaly means rare to happen.

This is simple math; the odds that 2 players would have the same problem out of 12 is perhaps 144 to 1 odds but it's not that simple because you have to determine what the odds are of having Reverend hang up while leaving a match or a power outage or interuption for example.

You can't quantify the odds of hanging up by closing reverend. You can guess at the odds (it's never happened to me for 150 or so rev matches and scrimms so my odds would be greater than 150 to 1 but let's use that number anyway for me. My odds are 150/1 and let's say that Mikevoltas odds are the same so the odds that we both have a hang up would be (150 X 150) 22,500 to 1. The odds that both Mikey and I had problems plus we finished the match in second to last and last place would be (odds X 12 then X 11) 1 in 2,970,000 which is pretty long odds; that means if you bet a dollar on the likelyhood of it happening, you would win almost 3 million dollars [less taxes of course]

If you say the odds of hanging while closing reverend are 20 - 1 which is insanely generous then the overall odds are [20 X 20 X 12 X 11] 52,800 to 1 meaning that same dollar bet would net you 52 thousand dollars.

We know that a power failure to your computer would have the same effect as hanging up as far as creating the Zip file for Reverend. I have never had a power outage while closing out after a match so you could say that the odds of me or another player on my team having a power outage while closing our game is 1000-1 meaning the odds of two players having power issues at the same time would increase it to 1,000,000 to one now the chance of us both having a power outage and being ranked last and second to last in a match would be (X 12 then X11) 132,000,000 or 132 million to one odds. Very rare indeed and would net you the kind of money where you could buy a Ferrari Enzo and it wouldn't make a dent and could then afford to pay Natalie Portman to give you lap dance that would include the "finest bottle of champange" in the bar.

Hope this clears things up, it's a little slow at work right now

LOL, you don't have to give me a dictionary defenition of a word, I know exactly what it means. And no it's not 1,000,000:1 , considering there was only 6 of us, how did you come up with that in the first place? you spent way too much time on thing that up, when it makes no sense at all. Reverend freezes often , and Bart is aware of that, but however it had no effect on this match outcome whatsoever. I sent in the same ss that everyone else did, just not compressed, and I sent the same to Bart which he can open them and he just might send it to Mars to prove myself innocent. I don't see the sense in debating this, a great win for =SK= ... period.

Hey heavy didn't we have to start the match about 5 to 10 mins late because Mar's computer which was running MW crashed due to a power outage or surge of some sort???? lol

soooooooooooooo whats the weather like outside at your homes?

peter parker isnt even on that team. was he a fill in?

I was quoting you because you stated how 'rare' it was but I was actually replying to ReJect who seemed to be asking for further details about the word.

You're missing several points butt you seem like a smart enough guy [actually I heard that one or both of you were another SK member's kids or something.]

Again the last paragraph was a hypothectical and it was concerning 'unintentional' power interuption. That's where the odds were 132,000,000 to one, not a million to 1. So for example the odds of you and ReJect having a cat chew through your PC power chord while your both trying to exit a match is several million to one odds, you cannot disagree about this because it is just so rare, in my lifetime it will never happen in an OGL match (though some may claim the '2 cats defense' in the future butt that would be a different thing.)

There were 6 players on SK, you might want to add the other team into the statistic [6+6=12]. Again, we are discussing the likelyhood of the 2 top shooters (in perhaps every match SK has played as far as I can tell) both having the same exact problem while scoring 1 and 2 in a match. A rare problem agreed [refer to 20-1 odds if you like.] There were 12 players, 6 with zero problems, 5 or 6 with a few and 2 with serious ones. statistics for a group are descending since the first outcome makes the next outcome less likely by 1 person [X12 then X11.]

If you want to change the odds for your own math it reverses because if you say the likelyhood is more likely then the odds are greater that the problem will happen to more people. In other words if the odds are 3-1 on "hanging up" while leaving a match, then everyone is more likely to have the same problem.

So to get a better idea let's really inflate the odds in your favor and say that the odds of locking up while the zip file is created are 6-1 which matches the actual match outcome. The new math is [1 in 6] X [1 in 6] then X [1 in 12] X [1 in 11] or; 1 time in every four thousand seven hundred and fifty two matches. We all know the actual odds are a bit higher.

I am genuinely sorry that both of you who had a wonderful game were both unable to exit the game properly for whatever reason and the zip's weren't created and the [more important I believe] text files were lost. As outlined above the odds are that it will never happen ever again to both of you at the same time while finishing 1 & 2 in a 12 person match.

Again your problem was an anomaly, I'm sure.

He did have a power surge, thank god it didn't happen while reverend was creating his anti-cheat folders.

you have alot of time on your hands dont you..

too much time at times,

I didn't even get into the odds where someone would intentionally pull a power cord to prevent screenies/ zips/ text files and it's relationship to previous issues where critical screenies couldn't be produced.

I am sure this is the first time these guys couldn't produce the proper files [anomaly.] as the odds mentioned above, if this is a pattern then there is a real problem within the ranks of SK.

I got a PM about this yesterday; has anyone heard of a scenario where someone would intentionally shut down or pull power so they could prevent the zip folder and send what they wanted and lose what they didn't. The sender seemed pretty smart.

can you guys take the beef somewhere else. I'm sick of reading you two going back and forth. U guys have forums right?

dont worry, i started one on 3rd id's forums i cant start one on sk's cause they banned me from talking the truth.

Sorry for all the bs AmbiencE. Spoke the truth gomer? LOL you accused me of hacking, which was only after you had left =SK=. When I was in =SK= 2 eyars prior to you leaving in OGL play and all, you wanted me to make every match, so apparently I just started hacking when you left? hmm.... lol

leave a address where i can follow the bs...i thought it was funny

ive had many people outside of sk thats been telling me all of sk hacks. this was after i gave it up. oh, how were you in sk for 2 years when sk wasnt even 2 years old when i left? you were only in there about 6-8 months with your brother reject. and if it wasnt for your dad (rocker) you would have never been in sk due to the age. hes the one that told me, lineman and doodle about all the crap you and reject had on his pc and reverend wouldnt work right so he had to format. its kind of funny how people from outside the clan say someone in sk was using a reverend bypass till the last reverend update. and its bad that with all the clans we had as allies when i was running sk wont have anything to do with sk now. maybe its the clan management you think?

Nah.. keep the posts coming.. I am enjoying this. For a change MOB isn't involved

no gomer we dont like you always coming on there when it's perfect timing to put down =SK= . well heavy for some reason i have had a harder time with reverand because i dont understand it all and once i downloaded the new 1604 version is when i had the problem of it freezing(this is 2nd time now i think) it's probably something im doing but i dont know what well im stuck here cause your going with your statistics and im going with what happened and my total honesty in playing this game...i dont believe anyone on these forums to be a hacker so i know you all feel the same way i do about hacks... ok ok ambience this is my last

wow gomer...you turned from a great guy that use to lead our clan into a total jerk...i dont know what happened?? none of us hack...that's getting so old because you start most of the rumors just to get bak at =SK= ....this is so frustrating...you know why =SK= wasn't like it is now when you were running it? well when you left it had like maybe 8 members left and all weren't active and you were never online or doing anything and now we have 35+ members and practice many times a week and play scrims and have good members and are working our way to the top in OGL (despite the hold up right now) and you are just being a jerk and hey, i will admit your doing one hell of a job here making the world suspicious and everything at us...but that's ok w/e makes you feel better.

great guy? he's always been a cocksucker. lol gomer, not one thing you said in your post made sense nor was correct. Your going to believe lineman?? LOL, maybe he did think we hack.. because he was always 10-50 and were always 50-10. But oh wait, that's because lineman sucked balls at this game. Needed something to blame his horrible skills on. Keep it up gomer, your bs keeps gettign mroe funny andm ore interesting,, what are you gonna say next?

truth hurts doesnt it?

well kemhist, or inyoureye, or what ever you want to go by, wasn't it you that said, in your forums, the one that i was banned from, that you said i was hacking, because i started beating you. just like you said practice right.

woohoo, were pushing 6000 views

There's your bum buddy, I was expecting him. LOL line, you started beating me? then you woke up bud.

LOL Reverend bypass??? I think that's a boogieman and I certainly doubt if any known clans would try it because if caught it would mean being banned from competition. Gomer =SK= is different now...we actually win matches and stuff, have enough people to play them and have a clan leadership that enjoys the game.
As you have stated many times you think MOHAA is dead and only losers play it anymore. What games are you good at? It certainly wasn't this one and fortunately you knew it and rarely played in matches. As for the fact the Reject and Khemist are my sons...not earthshattering news and I'm proud of them and they way they play this game. They are both excellent players and good sportsmen.
Stuff on my pc? Hell I recommend an uninstall and reinstall of MOHAA and a fresh install of Reverend to all my players before even attempting to join a server with MW. Seems that even having MOHBT or MOHSH cause problems as they did in my case. The reason you and Lineman approached me to recruit Khemist and Reject is because of their skill and now you try to use that skill as evidence of hacking. What was that H word someone mentioned in an earlier post? Oh yeah HYPOCRITE.
Ambience sorry for using {MOB} forums to reply, however RD woulda locked it long ago if it wasn't entertaining.

ya if you didnt want to here it, then you should not have brang my name into it.just like i said in the sk forums, don't bring me into it, and you won't hear it. and ya i was beating you, you even posted it, but deleted all that stuff right. our don't you remeber that post when you was saying all of a sudden i was killing you, then you said something about me being banned from ssx server? i quess you forgot about that.

Actually I do recall you being banned from ssx. I think it's because they noticed the same change as I. Your scores started to become even instead of 20 behind. Which was a big step for SK. now maybe in matches we didn't have to make up 20 to cover your mad skills. Even with whatever made you start to become even, You would of never had a chance at me. Sorry man, the truth hurts right?

we didnt approach you about them joining. you asked us and we agreed only cause you were a member. maybe you should lay off the geritol cause its making you confused. being a clan leader doesnt mean you have to play in all matches. if i remember right ( geritaol free not like rocker ) i played in most all matches when we started ogl all the way till we got to 3 rd place without the use of hacks. then i had to work alot more hours and didnt have time. thats why i had 2 good co leaders (doodle and lineman) that could take over the operations of the clan. you can say all you want about not hacking, but the truth will come out. that was the main reason i got sick of the clan life. the fun left with all the hackers in mohaa. but why do you care about mohaa? you play queers of empire. and it doesnt matter how good i am in a game, atleast im doing it cheatfree...............

well khemist, i was just looking at the ogl screenshots, that we played in and what i seen i was doing pretty good, i didn't have hacker scores like you, but i was either even like your buddy there el p, or should i say aka mohtruth, or i was a little ahead. so i quess he has mad skills to?

hey rocker, are you coming to joes crab shack this year? quess it's out of the question lol.